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Originally posted by robbie carrobieif you are going to call something that millions of people do 'unnatural' could you at least give a clear explanation of what exactly it is that is unnatural and explain why it is unnatural? so then we will have some clarity.
I am not implying its anything else, you were shown the physiology of the human body, it substantiates the Biblical claim that homosexuality is unnatural. Its perfectly simple, you have a premise and you find substantive evidence to support the premise. Why this is difficult to understand i cannot say.
ill tell you what i think you have been saying, correct me if im wrong.
1. homosexual sex involves using body parts for things they were not designed to do.
2. some forms of sex are unclean so should not be practiced.
is that it? is there anything that should be on the list or taken off?
Originally posted by stellspalfieI have demonstrated to you that the anus is not a fit orifice for penetration by providing medical and physiological evidence, i will not do so again, if you are too lazy to read the supporting evidence then that is your fault, not mine.
if you are going to call something that millions of people do 'unnatural' could you at least give a clear explanation of what exactly it is that is unnatural and explain why it is unnatural? so then we will have some clarity.
ill tell you what i think you have been saying, correct me if im wrong.
1. homosexual sex involves using body parts for thi ...[text shortened]... ld not be practiced.
is that it? is there anything that should be on the list or taken off?
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Originally posted by e4chrisNo gay JW's. If you want to be a Jehovahs Witness then you must strive to live up to Biblical standards. Of course there are no doubt some individuals who formerly practised homosexuality, but with reliance on God they managed to change their life and bring it into harmony with the divine will. The Bible makes it clear that this was also the case in Pauls time. I once had a Bible study with a gay dude, he came to the meeting and everything but decided that he could not change his lifestyle.
do they have gay meetings for JW's robbie?
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieWhat do you mean there are no gay JWs? Are you nuts? There are plenty of gay JWs; but they have to hide this fact, or in essence deny a large part of who they are, or they risk being disfellowshipped and shunned by you and the rest of your delusional cult members.
No gay JW's. If you want to be a Jehovahs Witness then you must strive to live up to Biblical standards. Of course there are no doubt some individuals who formerly practised homosexuality, but with reliance on God they managed to change their life and bring it into harmony with the divine will. The Bible makes it clear that this was also the case i ...[text shortened]... dude, he came to the meeting and everything but decided that he could not change his lifestyle.
It must be a terrible fate to be born and raised into the JWs while at the same time being gay. (Well, of course, it could be a terrible fate to be born and raised into the JWs regardless.) Maybe some group like A Common Bond can help some of these persons deal with the mental struggles imposed on them by the homophobic doctrine of your cult.
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Originally posted by LemonJelloI can't help but think that too - rc continualy says its not natural but i have to disagree it happens in quite a few top animals, theres 'anatomy' to it sorry to say...
What do you mean there are no gay JWs? Are you nuts? There are plenty of gay JWs; but they have to hide this fact, or in essence deny a large part of who they are, or they risk being disfellowshipped and shunned by you and the rest of your delusional cult members.
It must be a terrible fate to be born and raised into the JWs while at the same time be ...[text shortened]... persons deal with the mental struggles imposed on them by the homophobic doctrine of your cult.
robbie if you put gays / lesbians aside for a minute and just look at straight couples - its a divine comedy sex - it verges on the ridiculous. i don't think gay is that extreem compared to the silly things some straight people do
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieim trying to clarify. obviously there is more than just the anus issue. could you please state clearly what all the issues are regarding homosexuality. then at least we can all see what god expects of us.
I have demonstrated to you that the anus is not a fit orifice for penetration by providing medical and physiological evidence, i will not do so again, if you are too lazy to read the supporting evidence then that is your fault, not mine.
is this not a fair thing to ask? a clear point by point list of the issues?
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Originally posted by robbie carrobiethis is a good reason to make a list for us. the way i understood what you have said is that its okay to be gay as long as you do not practice homosexual sex, is this wrong now? can you please make a clear list for us to end the confusion?
No gay JW's. If you want to be a Jehovahs Witness then you must strive to live up to Biblical standards. Of course there are no doubt some individuals who formerly practised homosexuality, but with reliance on God they managed to change their life and bring it into harmony with the divine will. The Bible makes it clear that this was also the case i ...[text shortened]... dude, he came to the meeting and everything but decided that he could not change his lifestyle.
surely its a simple thing to ask.
Originally posted by stellspalfiei have no issues, the Bible states that its unnatural, the medical and physiological evidence substantiates the claim. No fences facing.
im trying to clarify. obviously there is more than just the anus issue. could you please state clearly what all the issues are regarding homosexuality. then at least we can all see what god expects of us.
is this not a fair thing to ask? a clear point by point list of the issues?
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieim asking for the issues god has with homosexuality. can you make a list, so it is clear and we can understand the issues god has with homosexuality. i made a short list earlier, was it correct was there anything i missed?
i have no issues, the Bible states that its unnatural, the medical and physiological evidence substantiates the claim. No fences facing.
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Originally posted by e4christhe animal argument is a total failure, filicide also happens in animals, regularly, are you willing to state that its natural for humans on this basis too, no, i didn't think so. Equating human behavior with animal behavior and attempting to draw conclusions on that basis is the epic failure of the materialist.
I can't help but think that too - rc continualy says its not natural but i have to disagree it happens in quite a few top animals, theres 'anatomy' to it sorry to say...
robbie if you put gays / lesbians aside for a minute and just look at straight couples - its a divine comedy sex - it verges on the ridiculous. i don't think gay is that extreem compared to the silly things some straight people do
Originally posted by stellspalfieno I dont need to make a list, unnatural is enough. I have no issues with it.
im asking for the issues god has with homosexuality. can you make a list, so it is clear and we can understand the issues god has with homosexuality. i made a short list earlier, was it correct was there anything i missed?
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieim not asking for your opinion, i get why you dont want to say.
no I dont need to make a list, unnatural is enough. I have no issues with it.
im asking for the bible's. is unnatural enough for you? or is it the only reason given in the bible?
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Originally posted by stellspalfieI am sure the Bible gives a few descriptions, depending on what epoch it was written in, unnatural is just one of them. The actual term is contrary to nature. I am not giving you my opinion.
im not asking for your opinion, i get why you dont want to say.
im asking for the bible's. is unnatural enough for you? or is it the only reason given in the bible?