i must admit this is a great discussion and alot of valid points have been raised and done so in a way thats not the usual forum trash talking slams thanks
it wasnt my heart that was my fall nor my commitment to god or my willingness to "do his will" i do think that obediebce to gods will/law
for the sake of saving urself muddles up the soul. then you are doing ot for the wrong reason.
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Originally posted by blindfaith101To the sinner that knows they are sinning sure there is fear..
To the sinner that knows they are sinning sure there is fear.To those that have come to know GOD, there is no fear. To those that know the sweetness of GOD and turn back into the world, and they know they are wrong, their is fear. To the one that comes to CHRIST, and accepts all that HE is, there is no fear.
Does anyone not think that satan, and the fallen angels. Do not fear what GOD is going to do to them?
Most of the wicked don’t fear God.
To those that have come to know GOD, there is no fear
They don’t come to know God by listening to fear monger’s like you. If they listen at all, they fear God as you insist they should.
Does anyone not think that satan, and the fallen angels. Do not fear what GOD is going to do to them?
Satan knows that God exists.
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Originally posted by aspviper666it wasnt my heart that was my fall nor my commitment to god or my willingness to "do his will" i do think that obediebce to gods will/law
i must admit this is a great discussion and alot of valid points have been raised and done so in a way thats not the usual forum trash talking slams thanks
it wasnt my heart that was my fall nor my commitment to god or my willingness to "do his will" i do think that obediebce to gods will/law
for the sake of saving urself muddles up the soul. then you are doing ot for the wrong reason.
for the sake of saving urself muddles up the soul. then you are doing it for the wrong reason.
So would it be fair then to say that what you got out of this experience was the realization that in order to save yourself, you have to love and administer to people?
Matt 25:42-45 "For I was an hungered, and ye gave me no meat; I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink; I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee and hungered, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in person, and did not minister unto thee? Then shall he answer them saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me."
Maybe we should just do it for God. Not worry about what peoples opinions are, whether they accept or reject our help.
The more I think about this, the more I like it. To do God’s will for ourselves may be selfish. To do it for other people still leaves God out of the equation. To act because we love God, period, may be what we can learn from your experience.
Any thoughts on this?
Originally posted by aspviper666I am sincerely confused as to what you mean when you say that it doesnt matter what we have in our hearts. I can understand what you mean when you say that it doesnt matter what is on our lips (what we say), because that can often be masked. We can try to deceive others through our words. But how can we go to hell if we truly believe in our "heart" that God exists? This idea completely perplexes me.
i must admit this is a great discussion and alot of valid points have been raised and done so in a way thats not the usual forum trash talking slams thanks
it wasnt my heart that was my fall nor my commitment to god or my willingness to "do his will" i do think that obediebce to gods will/law
for the sake of saving urself muddles up the soul. then you are doing ot for the wrong reason.
Originally posted by aspviper666I understand you were attempting to do all the right things, say
i had everything right even in my heart i was kind natured and very politite,lived and breathed every word in the bible.i was resonant in my faith sir.i am certain i left no stone unturned .i confessed sins that i may have inadvertanly committed not knowing or remembering them.
so maybe you can tell me my fault,i think it happened for a reason
the ...[text shortened]... n its classic sense.if it works for you or others then great , good for you.i applaud you then.
all the right things, but was that all there was to Christianity for you?
Maybe God was honoring your attempts, but letting you know you
were indeed missing out on the best part of Christianity. My favorite
verse in the entire Bible is Genesis 15:1, I’d say it goes to the heart
of what I think you were missing in the posts I have read of yours.
1 After this, the word of the LORD came to Abram in a vision:
"Do not be afraid, Abram. I am your shield, your very great
reward."
It is not a matter of saying or doing all the right things, it is God
Himself, He is our great reward. Nothing He gives us is better than
God Himself, no spiritual gift, no earthy possession. I’m not
attempting to put you down, I’m just sharing what I think occurred in
what must have been a powerful event in your life.
Kelly
Originally posted by vistesdI think it was brave of him too, it was a powerful event he shared.
You know, I would just like to take asp at his word about the “rightness” and sincerity of his former Christian faith. Is that so hard to do? You can go poking around, looking for “where he went wrong,” or where “his faith wasn’t true” and maybe at some point say “Aha! That’s it!”—but that’s kind of a pharisaical approach isn’t it? It seems to be a commo ...[text shortened]... ing it out of hand). I just don’t want to see it simply degenerate into what I described above.
I disagree with you on why.
Kelly
Originally posted by lioyankBelieving isn't enough, even the devil believes and the flames of
I am sincerely confused as to what you mean when you say that it doesnt matter what we have in our hearts. I can understand what you mean when you say that it doesnt matter what is on our lips (what we say), because that can often be masked. We can try to deceive others through our words. But how can we go to hell if we truly believe in our "heart" that God exists? This idea completely perplexes me.
hell will one day claim him.
Kelly
Originally posted by aspviper666Instead of using your experience for the good like:
well i happen to have died a clinical death back in 1978
i had gotten my bracial artery severed in an accident
i nearly blead 8 units they estimated 1/2 my blood was gone.
i died on the op table and was brought back a few minutes later.
i had lived a good xtian life ,was full of the spirit,went to church ,prayed.tithed,did all i could to be good and ...[text shortened]... me i remeber then seeing myself in my bed.i never claimed to be an xtain from that day forward
I lived a Christian's live, went to church and prayed etc etc...but when I died for a few seconds on the operating table I realized that my life wasnt right. What was it that I did wrong?......
You could of used it to show people where they have made mistakes and help them, instead, you chose war against God.
Think about it, you are still alive, there is much time for you to still tell people and they will believe you....
Originally posted by Nicolaasi never once doubted that if and when i died i would see heaven
Instead of using your experience for the good like:
I lived a Christian's live, went to church and prayed etc etc...but when I died for a few seconds on the operating table I realized that my life wasnt right. What was it that I did wrong?......
You could of used it to show people where they have made mistakes and help them, instead, you chose war ag ...[text shortened]... u are still alive, there is much time for you to still tell people and they will believe you....
my death experience showed me i was wrong.please read all my posts in this thread,then you tell me where i went wrong?i think my motives were not pure.i am not at war with god.nor am i a satanist anymore.i believe in god but i dont openly discuss any "blanket label" that would define my belief into a religious dogma.
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Originally posted by The Chess ExpressOriginally posted by The Chess Express
[b]it wasnt my heart that was my fall nor my commitment to god or my willingness to "do his will" i do think that obediebce to gods will/law
for the sake of saving urself muddles up the soul. then you are doing it for the wrong reason.
So would it be fair then to say that what you got out of this experience was the realization that in ...[text shortened]... se we love God, period, may be what we can learn from your experience.
Any thoughts on this?[/b]
The more I think about this, the more I like it. To do God’s will for ourselves may be selfish. To do it for other people still leaves God out of the equation. To act because we love God, period, may be what we can learn from your experience.
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Matt 6:1-4 “Take heed that you do not do your charitable deeds before men, to be seen by them. Otherwise you have no reward from your father from heaven. Therefore, when you do a charitable deed, do not sound a trumpet before you as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory from men. Assuredly I say to you, they have their reward. But when you do a charitable deed, do not let your left hand know what your right hand in doing, that your charitable deed may be in secret; and your father who sees in secret will himself reward you openly.”
Maybe this explains it.
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Originally posted by blindfaith101Wrong.If you love God you do fear him.Because to love anyone is to know them.If you know God you should be scared because without him we would all be nothing.If you love Jesus you also should be scared as he holds the keys to hell.Respect.
No that was not the case. If you love GOD, there is no fear of HIM. Hopefully he will go and talk whatever the issues are, with GOD with GOD. There are those that once they confront GOD with the issues, they find out that the issues were not with GOD, but with themselves.
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Originally posted by windmillWrong.If you love God you do fear him.Because to love anyone is to know them.
Wrong.If you love God you do fear him.Because to love anyone is to know them.If you know God you should be scared because without him we would all be nothing.If you love Jesus you also should be scared as he holds the keys to hell.Respect.
People fear what they do not know, to know God is to love him.
If you know God you should be scared because without him we would all be nothing.
God never leaves us so what is there to fear?
If you love Jesus you also should be scared as he holds the keys to hell.Respect.
If you love Jesus, you know that he’ll take you to heaven.
Originally posted by The Chess ExpressSo would it be fair then to say that what you got out of this experience was the realization that in order to save yourself, you have to love and administer to people?
[b]it wasnt my heart that was my fall nor my commitment to god or my willingness to "do his will" i do think that obediebce to gods will/law
for the sake of saving urself muddles up the soul. then you are doing it for the wrong reason.
So would it be fair then to say that what you got out of this experience was the realization that in ...[text shortened]... se we love God, period, may be what we can learn from your experience.
Any thoughts on this?[/b]
uhhh no
actually the experience sent me in a long rebellion against god.
i then discovered kabbala , which led me down a certain path i know is right FOR ME. i was studying, at the time of the accident, to become an ordianied minister.to the point of taking theology religion and christian theology .
Originally posted by aspviper666sorry Bro this whole story stinks. No way I believe a Chritian person who spent his life in that subserviant mode, dies, goes to hell, then rages against God, whom he has been taught to believe is all powerful. It doesn't ring true. Not sure why you would fabricate this, but no doubt its fabricaed.
well i happen to have died a clinical death back in 1978
i had gotten my bracial artery severed in an accident
i nearly blead 8 units they estimated 1/2 my blood was gone.
i died on the op table and was brought back a few minutes later.
i had lived a good xtian life ,was full of the spirit,went to church ,prayed.tithed,did all i could to be good and ...[text shortened]... me i remeber then seeing myself in my bed.i never claimed to be an xtain from that day forward
One rule of the liar, is they always make themseves look "good" or to be admired. What a courageous man you are, telling the Lord himslf as you scurried off to hell to "get bent". Hogwash! Try again!