Originally posted by VoidSpirit jesus also failed to return when he promised to do so, therefore we can safely assert that everything else he said is also rubbish.
I recall Jesus saying that no man knows the day or the hour. He never set a specific time for His return. 😏
Originally posted by RJHinds I recall Jesus saying that no man knows the day or the hour. He never set a specific time for His return. 🙄
you have selective memory. while he didn't set a specific time, he did set a specific time window. no man knows the day or hour, but jesus knew it would be within one generation and some in his audience would live long enough to see it.
that obviously did not happen. his followers went into panic mode and struggled to come up with false interpretations to keep their false prophet alive.
Originally posted by Taoman "Clearly the Christians have used ... myths ... in fabricating the story of Jesus' birth ... It is clear to me that the writings of the Christians are a lie and that your fables are not well-enough constructed to conceal this monstrous fiction.'
– Celsus (On The True Doctrine, c178 AD)
Celsus was one of the foremost thinkers of his age. His critique of th ...[text shortened]... y the fabled octogenarian author!
More at:
http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/lying.htm
I am thinking that the license to lie to outsiders for your ideology, if that lying serves the ideology, is a characteristic of successful self-reinforcing ideologies.
Away for a few days. Unlike the then common story of a returning figure, on clouds etc. Standard stuff of the times, - for those not closed to historical FACT as well as scientific FACT.
Originally posted by SwissGambit I showed the OP to some guys at work and they said that now that they've read it, they're through with the Christian faith.
Now point them in better directions, if they want a better basis for an expanded view. It is compassion to remove confusion, inappropriate guilt, and mental bondage.
Originally posted by Taoman "Clearly the Christians have used ... myths ... in fabricating the story of Jesus' birth ... It is clear to me that the writings of the Christians are a lie and that your fables are not well-enough constructed to conceal this monstrous fiction.'
– Celsus (On The True Doctrine, c178 AD)
Celsus was one of the foremost thinkers of his age. His critique of th ...[text shortened]... y the fabled octogenarian author!
More at:
http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/lying.htm
Your anger at God and Christianity is much more revealling and honest than your attempts at bhuddism.
Originally posted by VoidSpirit you have selective memory. while he didn't set a specific time, he did set a specific time window. no man knows the day or hour, but jesus knew it would be within one generation and some in his audience would live long enough to see it.
that obviously did not happen. his followers went into panic mode and struggled to come up with false interpretations to keep their false prophet alive.
That one generation was to be the generation that experience certains signs that Jesus mentioned, as I recall it. 😏
Originally posted by SwissGambit I showed the OP to some guys at work and they said that now that they've read it, they're through with the Christian faith.
Well, at least they have made their choice and have only themselves to blame or to thank for what ever happens in the future.
Originally posted by RJHinds That one generation was to be the generation that experience certains signs that he mentioned, as I recall it. 🙄
he said some in his audience would live long enough to see it all unfold. weather or not they saw signs or thought they saw signs is irrelevant. the window came and went, the kingdom did not come in power, everyone who heard him say it is long dead and gone.
none of what jesus said came true, he's a failed prophet.
Originally posted by Taoman Perfect example, constantly encountered, of trying to induce guilt and fear, based on a primitive and limited view of the all-embracing Source. Perhaps you could learn to embrace more too.
I don't buy the guilt and fear and I hope others see through it.
Increasing knowledge and wider view is not a "sin". I am not "foisting". We both have the freedom to ...[text shortened]... realities.
What about the established historical facts shared on the site i referred to?
I don't think the point was inducing guilt and fear, rather it was a heads-up warning. Much akin to instructing someone against walking into a highway blindfolded. While no fear of cars is intended, there is fair warning that to walk into traffic might not end well for you.
Originally posted by VoidSpirit he said some in his audience would live long enough to see it all unfold. weather or not they saw signs or thought they saw signs is irrelevant. the window came and went, the kingdom did not come in power, everyone who heard him say it is long dead and gone.
none of what jesus said came true, he's a failed prophet.
Depending on how one defines "audience", there are some of us in his audience even now, just as any other living author or orator.
A \"hanch\" is something that Zask doesn\'t like \- much the same way a \"sin\" is something that Yahweh doesn\'t like \- both have sod all (coincidences aside) to do with what is good or bad
by writing posts like this!? do you not fear the afterlife Zask has in store for you when you die? You un-repentant hancher you!
Originally posted by CLL53 Depending on how one defines "audience", there are some of us in his audience even now, just as any other living author or orator.
the only way to define his audience is in the context of which he allegedly spoke. "some standing here" is the context of his immediate audience, not some symbolic one.
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