Originally posted by Suzianne What does that have to do with anything?
"And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:" -- Revelation 13:16
That is wrong.
"And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark of his right hand, or of his forehead." Revelation 13:16.
Originally posted by Suzianne The Beast is not Islam.
"Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six." -- Revelation 13:18, KJV
For it is the number of a man. A man, not a religion.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_the_Beast
Original source: Hillers, D. R. (1963). Revelation 13:18 and A Scroll from Murabba'at. BASOR, 170. p. 65.
The Greek version of the name and title transliterates into Hebrew as נרון קסר [NRON CSR aka Nero Caesar], and yields a numerical value of 666, as shown:
Originally posted by AThousandYoung That is wrong.
"And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark of his right hand, or of his forehead." Revelation 13:16.
So all the Roman coins had pictures of the right hands and foreheads of the people using them? Yeah, that makes sense.
Where did you get your translation information? The JWs?
Even if you mean the coin has an image of the Beast's right hand or forehead, that doesn't make sense. How can just "receiving" a coin mark you as belonging to the Beast?
Originally posted by RJHinds A man called Muhammad began the religion of Islam. Beast in prophecy refers to kingdoms and sometimes the king over that kingdom. Rome was the beast kingdom in existence at the time John wrote the Revelation and the Turkish Ottoman beast kingdom called a caliphate conquered Rome and remained until 1923.
In our time we may be seeing the rebirth of this Is ...[text shortened]... O THE SAINTS.
Originally posted by AThousandYoung https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_the_Beast
Original source: Hillers, D. R. (1963). Revelation 13:18 and A Scroll from Murabba'at. BASOR, 170. p. 65.
The Greek version of the name and title transliterates into Hebrew as נרון קסר [NRON CSR aka Nero Caesar], and yields a numerical value of 666, as shown:
I've heard this before, with alterations in either the name ("Nron Qsr" or "Nro Qsr" ) or the number (666 or even 616 ).
"Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast"
Those calling Nero the beast just to "prove" that there will be no AntiChrist have no understanding.
Originally posted by RJHinds A man called Muhammad began the religion of Islam. Beast in prophecy refers to kingdoms and sometimes the king over that kingdom. Rome was the beast kingdom in existence at the time John wrote the Revelation and the Turkish Ottoman beast kingdom called a caliphate conquered Rome and remained until 1923.
In our time we may be seeing the rebirth of this Is ...[text shortened]... O THE SAINTS.
Originally posted by Suzianne So all the Roman coins had pictures of the right hands and foreheads of the people using them? Yeah, that makes sense.
Where did you get your translation information? The JWs?
Even if you mean the coin has an image of the Beast's right hand or forehead, that doesn't make sense. How can just "receiving" a coin mark you as belonging to the Beast?
What I find interesting is how each person has decided in advance what to take literally and what not to.
I don't see anyone saying "But it says 'beast' so it must be an animal". Clearly 'beast' is not to be taken too literally. Others are happy changing 'mark' to 'implant'. But everyone seems to insist that certain things are to be taken hypercritically.
I find the thoughts on Wikipedia to be more reasonable:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_the_Beast#Mark_of_the_Beast
The whole passage is wrapped up in symbolism and could mean a number of things. Certainly the idea that it is referring to coins with the emperors head on makes sense, and it is essentially saying that you must engage in idol worship just to buy and sell.
Originally posted by vivify http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-31042477
In this story from the BBC, a Swedish corporation called Epicenter implants a chip into it's employees. This chip allows the same type of access that a pass card gives into some government offices.
What's interesting, is that there's a video of a BBC reported getting this chip implanted into his left hand ( ...[text shortened]... ate concern? Are Christians on to something here with the Mark of the Beast idea? If not, why?
What is also interesting, is that the supercomputer located in Maryland, USA. is called the Beast, as a joke in the intelligence community
Originally posted by twhitehead What I find interesting is how each person has decided in advance what to take literally and what not to.
I don't see anyone saying "But it says 'beast' so it must be an animal". Clearly 'beast' is not to be taken too literally. Others are happy changing 'mark' to 'implant'. But everyone seems to insist that certain things are to be taken hypercritically ...[text shortened]... s sense, and it is essentially saying that you must engage in idol worship just to buy and sell.
If you even bother to read the Bible, you will see the symbolism spoon fed to you by Daniel.
Originally posted by Suzianne As a Christian, I'm almost offended that you would even ask.
Make mine a cinnamon latte, hold the Mark of the Beast.
I never know around here
Around here we have people who claim to be Christians who support things like abortion on demand while selling their harvested organs at tax payer expense and the "everyone goes to heaven regardless of how they live and what they do" crowd.
So if your favorite Dim politician told you to take the mark you would align yourself with the religious right nut jobs who are holding up "progress"?
The Pope recently said that women having abortions will be forgiven so what if he says the same about taking the mark?
05 Sep '15 19:09
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