17 Nov 15
Originally posted by roigamThe Father and the Holy Spirit. Having all authority means Jesus is LORD of Lords and KING of kings.
(Matthew 28:18) Jesus approached and spoke to them, saying: “All authority has been given me in heaven and on the earth.
So, who gave Jesus authority?
How would you answer?
HalleluYaH !!! Praise the LORD! Holy! Holy! Holy!
Originally posted by roigamThe Watchtower Organisation? I mean it makes perfect sense. The JWs profess to believe that God is the Father and the Watchtower Organisation is the MOTHER !
(Matthew 28:18) Jesus approached and spoke to them, saying: “All authority has been given me in heaven and on the earth.
So, who gave Jesus authority?
How would you answer?
So its the Mother {the Watchtower] that gave Jesus all authority.
17 Nov 15
Originally posted by roigamGood question brother, but.....it's been asked oh about 20 times and up till now they still don't understand the question. We know that a judge may give a policeman the authority to apply the laws of the land to it's subjects, they hopefully understand that.
(Matthew 28:18) Jesus approached and spoke to them, saying: “All authority has been given me in heaven and on the earth.
So, who gave Jesus authority?
How would you answer?
So (2) different and separate beings involved, the judge and a policeman.
But yet when the trinity fog is in their minds they don't see that Jehovah and Jesus are (2) separate spirit beings and one gives the other the "authority" to now judge and rule as our king.
17 Nov 15
Originally posted by galveston75How about Matthew 3: 16-17
What scripture shows they the "holy spirit" gave Jesus this power?
'As soon as Jesus was baptized, he went up out of the water. At that moment heaven was opened, and he saw the 'Spirit of God' descending like a dove and alighting on him. And a voice from heaven said, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.'
17 Nov 15
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Originally posted by galveston75to Rajk999
Good question brother, but.....it's been asked oh about 20 times and up till now they still don't understand the question. We know that a judge may give a policeman the authority to apply the laws of the land to it's subjects, they hopefully understand that.
So (2) different and separate beings involved, the judge and a policeman.
But yet when the tr ...[text shortened]... eparate spirit beings and one gives the other the "authority" to now judge and rule as our king.
Yes, clearly it was Jesus' Father, Jehovah God, who gave Jesus his authority.
(Daniel 7:13, 14) “I kept watching in the visions of the night, and look! with the clouds of the heavens, someone like a son of man was coming; and he gained access to the Ancient of Days, and they brought him up close before that One. 14 And to him there were given rulership, honor, and a kingdom, that the peoples, nations, and language groups should all serve him. His rulership is an everlasting rulership that will not pass away, and his kingdom will not be destroyed.
In the Christian Greek Scriptures Jesus is called "son of man" over 80 times.
The point is that Jesus did not have "authority" until God gave it to him.
Jesus was not equal to the One who created him.
17 Nov 15
Originally posted by roigam
to Rajk999
Yes, clearly it was Jesus' Father, Jehovah God, who gave Jesus his authority.
(Daniel 7:13, 14) “I kept watching in the visions of the night, and look! with the clouds of the heavens, someone like a son of man was coming; and he gained access to the Ancient of Days, and they brought him up close before that One. 14 And to him there were given r ...[text shortened]... not have "authority" until God gave it to him.
Jesus was not equal to the One who created him.
When they saw Him, they worshiped Him; but some were doubtful. And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, "All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit,…
(Matthew 28:17-19 NASB)
17 Nov 15
Originally posted by Ghost of a DukeHummm, sorry but it says nothing about the holy spirit giving Jesus this authority that the Father gives him at a latter time. This scripture only mentions God's love and approval of Jesus.
How about Matthew 3: 16-17
'As soon as Jesus was baptized, he went up out of the water. At that moment heaven was opened, and he saw the 'Spirit of God' descending like a dove and alighting on him. And a voice from heaven said, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.'
17 Nov 15
Originally posted by galveston75
Hummm, sorry but it says nothing about the holy spirit giving Jesus this authority that the Father gives him at a latter time. This scripture only mentions God's love and approval of Jesus.
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.
(John 1:1-3 NASB)
For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities--all things have been created through Him and for Him.
(Colossians 1:16 NASB)
JESUS IS THE CREATOR GOD
17 Nov 15
So the point here is in Jesus's life either before while in heaven or after his birth here on earth as a human, he did not have the authority needed to rule mankind. Only his Father Jehovah has had this authority, There is also no mention of the holy spirit being a separate being from Jehovah and having been giving this authority as Jesus was anywhere in the scriptures.
If Jesus were a third and equal part of this godhead that the trinity teaches, all 3 beings would all be equal as the trinity doctrine teaches.
But Jesus was not equal in authority until his father gave it too him.
So the question now is why did Jesus not have this authority and what happened that now made it possible to him be given this?
17 Nov 15
Originally posted by RJHindsUh....no he isn't.In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.
(John 1:1-3 NASB)
For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thro ...[text shortened]... created through Him and for Him.
(Colossians 1:16 NASB)
JESUS IS THE CREATOR GOD