Originally posted by vistesd
Aha, Nephew! You have stirred the creamed corn of my brain back into life!
LOL! Uncle S.!
Thanks. I still have a lot to reflect on about this, but I didn't know until to day that psuche was the word usually translated as "life" in that passage--psuche being the word commonly translated as soul.
It is a fascinating discovery, I believe!
I'm thinking about human love mirroring divine love, etc. Oh...creamed corn again! Tomorrow maybe...
As through a mirror, darkly, but in heaven face to face!
My compliment to Darfius still stands: He's been a good "ping-pong" partner for me today. 🙂
I think everyone has been very good today. I hope Ivanhoe's
prophecy doesn't come true.
Nemesio
Originally posted by NemesioIt's only obvious if you accept first that your interpretation of the wording is accurate and secondly if dead people are omnipresent. I choose to be logical rather than wishful thinking.
Originally posted by Darfius
[b]Easily, he said 'If'. Reconciled.
What?
I am saying, how do you justify the idea that dead people
cannot see or observe sin but that the angels and God can?
And the dogs could be rejoicing. Or some species other than humans. You're putting assumption into Scripture.
Well, seeing as there ...[text shortened]... at there are
people up in heaven rejoicing at the idea that someone turned to
God.
Nemesio[/b]
Originally posted by vistesdHehe, likewise. 🙂
Well said. I accept that with the sincerity in which I believe it was "spoken."
I think we have been talking around one another a bit here today (not intentionally), but you certainly made my brain work (that's good for me, except that my brain is now creamed corn!).
Originally posted by DarfiusSomeone is up there rejoicing. Someone other than the angels
It's only obvious if you accept first that your interpretation of the wording is accurate and secondly if dead people are omnipresent. I choose to be logical rather than wishful thinking.
or God, otherwise you believe that the literal words of the Scripture
are incorrect.
Dead people is the most logical choice for that. Dogs or invented
beings are less logical.
Nemesio
Originally posted by DarfiusFallen angels ?
Only angels can do that. There is no precedence in the Bible of the dead contacticing the living. There are incidences of the living being punished for attempting to contact the dead.
Ghosts, if they are real, are demons or fallen angels.
This seems to imply that even those closest to god arn't safe from temptation & sin. Now an angel would surely know if god exists, for they are supposed to be his messagers. Presumably they would also be truely aware of the punishments for forsaking god. So really there shouldn't be any fallen angels. But we know from the bible that there was at least one (Perhaps there are more ?). How can god justify punishing non believing humans who have to make a choice based on just belief, when angels who know the truth make the same errors of judgement ? It just doesn't make any sense.
And in a nut shell this is the problem with christianity & the bible, it doesn't make any sense. It doesn't stand up to modern day logical reason. This is why I can reject this concept of intelligent design (sorry to cross threads here) from a christian view point. To clarify here I'm not ruling out the concept of inteligent design but only ruling it out from a christian view point.
I have nothing against christains (one of my best friends in a very devote christain) but if you ask me modern day Christianity is like a tired old plant, which needs pruning of the deadwood. Only then will there be a beautiful crop of flowers. 🙂
Originally posted by NemesioDead people is your logical choice. Not mine. Quit treating conjecture as fact, please.
Someone is up there rejoicing. Someone other than the angels
or God, otherwise you believe that the literal words of the Scripture
are incorrect.
Dead people is the most logical choice for that. Dogs or invented
beings are less logical.
Nemesio
Originally posted by Jay PeateaIt's not just belief. He gives us plenty of evidence (intelligent design you mention) for one. He punishes us for the same reason as He punishes the angels--for denying what is obvious--. Also, we got something the angels did not; free will. If anything, we deserve a HARSHER judgement than the angels, yet we get the same.
Fallen angels ?
This seems to imply that even those closest to god arn't safe from temptation & sin. Now an angel would surely know if god exists, for they are supposed to be his messagers. Presumably they would also be truely aware of the punishments for forsaking god. So really there shouldn't be any fallen angels. But we know from the bible that th ...[text shortened]... nt, which needs pruning of the deadwood. Only then will there be a beautiful crop of flowers. 🙂
Originally posted by DarfiusAhem no offense but did you think about what you just posted when you were writing it? Can you tell me what is wrong with your arguement or shall I point out ?
It's not just belief. He gives us plenty of evidence (intelligent design you mention) for one. He punishes us for the same reason as He punishes the angels--for denying what is obvious--. Also, we got something the angels did not; free will. If anything, we deserve a HARSHER judgement than the angels, yet we get the same.
Originally posted by Jay PeateaThe only thing I see is the thing about angels not having free will. What I meant is complete free will. He didn't want the angels love (though of course they give it), He wanted their servitude. He wanted our love.
Ahem no offense but did you think about what you just posted when you were writing it? Can you tell me what is wrong with your arguement or shall I point out ?