Originally posted by galveston75Michael Jackson would be more popular, because he doesn't/didn't make you think. It was nice to go through life, either ignore or revile or worship him, but no real effort was involved.
If Jesus were back on earth today and preaching the messages he did when he was first here, and both died today, who would be more popular, Jesus or Michael Jackson?
Jesus Christ, on the other hand, would have all these annoying expectations about how people should run their lives, and no doubt be rather vocal about it.
When MJ would die, people could continue to ignore or revile or worship him without changing their lives a bit. When JC would die, people would be glad he finally shut up until his annoying followers started spouting the same stuff he did.
It's a lot easier to like people when no effort is involved. Who wants to hang out with someone who wants you to change how you treat people? That's a much smaller fan base.
Originally posted by Rajk999Again my friend..Why are you so angry?
Some hilarious quotes from your very own WatchTower website:
http://www.towerwatch.com/Witnesses/Beliefs/their_beliefs.htm
[i]"Christ is believed to have originally existed in a pre-human state as the Archangel Michael."
"..The Heavenly Kingdom took effect in 1914 "
"People are not to think for themselves but instead submit to the Watchtower So ...[text shortened]... se than the Nazis.
You cant speak to disfellowshipped JWs !!!!! ...😀😀
Fantastic,
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Raj you have gone too far here my friend, the Witnesses were the only Christian religious group, on a whole, that i am aware of, who refused to take up arms against their fellow humans during the tyranny and horror of the third Reich under Nazi Germany in WWII, they were brutally incarcerated in concentration camps, along with the Jews, and mercilessly persecuted. They could have, at any time, relinquished their stance and been freed to join the war effort, but it was beneath their dignity to betray their God and kill a fellow human being. Many young men suffered torture and beheading, rather than compromise.
Those under Stalinist Russia, were forcibly removed from their families, and exiled in conditions, that would horrify you if you knew the details.
You can say what you like about their beliefs my friend, but to equate them with the Nazis is going to far and is offensive.
united states holocaust memorial museum.
http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/article.php?lang=en&ModuleId=10005394
Originally posted by robbie carrobiehttp://history1900s.about.com/library/holocaust/blhitler19.htm
Raj you have gone too far here my friend, the Witnesses were the only Christian religious group, on a whole, that i am aware of, who refused to take up arms against their fellow humans during the tyranny and horror of the third Reich under Nazi Germany in WWII, they were brutally incarcerated in concentration camps, along with the Jews, and merciless ...[text shortened]... tes holocaust memorial museum.
http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/article.php?lang=en&ModuleId=10005394
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Originally posted by Diodorus Siculusyes Diodurus, the involvement and support of Catholicism in the rise of the third Reich is well documented, what is your point my friend?
http://history1900s.about.com/library/holocaust/blhitler19.htm
http://history1900s.about.com/library/holocaust/bldachau8.htm
see the triangle on the mans uniform, you cannot tell its colour from the picture, but the witnesses had purple triangles sown on to their camp uniforms.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieAre you a JW? If not, what problem do you have with their theology?
Raj you have gone too far here my friend, the Witnesses were the only Christian religious group, on a whole, that i am aware of, who refused to take up arms against their fellow humans during the tyranny and horror of the third Reich under Nazi Germany in WWII, they were brutally incarcerated in concentration camps, along with the Jews, and merciless ...[text shortened]... tes holocaust memorial museum.
http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/article.php?lang=en&ModuleId=10005394
Originally posted by robbie carrobieExcept that evidence has very recently emerged that the Reich intended to assassinate Pope Pius XII.
yes Diodurus, the involvement and support of Catholicism in the rise of the third Reich is well documented, what is your point my friend?
http://history1900s.about.com/library/holocaust/bldachau8.htm
see the triangle on the mans uniform, you cannot tell its colour from the picture, but the witnesses had purple triangles sown on to their camp uniforms.
http://zenit.org/article-26194?l=english
Plus, the meeting between Hitler and that cardinal occurred before the war. And it is stupid to claim that the Catholicism was complicit with Hitler. There can room for debate about whether Pope Pius adequately defended Jews but not whether the Church supported Hitler. The Reich repressed all Catholic publications and persecuted many voicing opposition.
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Originally posted by whodeyi do not have a problem with anyone's theology, (well mabye Jaywills, but thats a work in progress) i have a problem with my good friend Raj being insensitive enough to equate them with the third Reich, when they were clearly martyrs for a noble cause.
Are you a JW? If not, what problem do you have with their theology?
Originally posted by Conrau Kwow Conrad, you really might set the cat among the pigeons, with this one, for it is debatable whether Adolph would have realised his ambitions, without the help of prominent Catholics, but that being said, there was dissension, as far as i am aware.
Except that evidence has very recently emerged that the Reich intended to assassinate Pope Pius XII.
http://zenit.org/article-26194?l=english
Plus, the meeting between Hitler and that cardinal occurred before the war. And it is stupid to claim that the Catholicism was complicit with Hitler. There can room for debate about whether Pope Pius adequatel ...[text shortened]... ed Hitler. The Reich repressed all Catholic publications and persecuted many voicing opposition.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieagreed.I disagree with their point of view, but their conviction during the holocaust is to be admired.
Raj you have gone too far here my friend, the Witnesses were the only Christian religious group, on a whole, that i am aware of, who refused to take up arms against their fellow humans during the tyranny and horror of the third Reich under Nazi Germany in WWII, they were brutally incarcerated in concentration camps, along with the Jews, and merciless ...[text shortened]... tes holocaust memorial museum.
http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/article.php?lang=en&ModuleId=10005394
Originally posted by robbie carrobieThat 'nazi' comment refers specifically to the extreme mind control Nazi's used. JWs are also guilty of extreme mind control. I know many JWs in my area and the people say that they are not allowed to read other religious material etc.
Raj you have gone too far here my friend, the Witnesses were the only Christian religious group, on a whole, that i am aware of, who refused to take up arms against their fellow humans during the tyranny and horror of the third Reich under Nazi Germany in WWII, they were brutally incarcerated in concentration camps, along with the Jews, and merciless ...[text shortened]... tes holocaust memorial museum.
http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/article.php?lang=en&ModuleId=10005394
Here is a quote from Wiki:
".... is designed to exercise control over every aspect of the lives of Jehovah's Witnesses and condition them to think it is wrong for them to question anything the Watchtower Society publishes as truth. Witnesses are encouraged to feel dependent on "the organization", are discouraged from engaging in independent Bible study and are told they are incapable of understanding the scriptures without its involvement. Rejection of Watchtower teachings is equated with "rejection of divine rulership", and therefore of God. The organization's power to "dominate" its members is gained by "the acceptance of the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society quite literally as the voice of Jehovah – God's 'mouthpiece'."The Watchtower Society's firm discouragement of members to read criticism of the organization or scriptural material published by other religions, is claimed to create a form of mental isolation that has been cited as an element of mind control. It is claimed the organization's aim is to create a sterile atmosphere in which its views and interpretations can circulate without having to confront any challenge."
Originally posted by Rajk999I've been a Witness for 46 years and no one has ever controlled my mind or any other Witnesses I've ever known. I would never allow that to happen to myself or to others.
That 'nazi' comment refers specifically to the extreme mind control Nazi's used. JWs are also guilty of extreme mind control. I know many JWs in my area and the people say that they are not allowed to read other religious material etc.
Here is a quote from Wiki:
".... is designed to exercise control over every aspect of the lives of Jehovah's Witnes ...[text shortened]... interpretations can circulate without having to confront any challenge."
And again your info about the Witnesses is wrong as usual...