Originally posted by robbie carrobieTHese people are told by the organization that things like voting taints their "righteousness". In fact, they can't so much as celebrate a holiday because no matter the holiday they can trace the origins of it to some pagan root. So it would stand to reason that they would also decline to fight for the society that they are told to disassociate from by the organization because it would "taint" their righteousness as well.
then you also must answer the question that was posed to Raj, was it brain controlling which led those people to willingly be incarcerated for their stance or was it a more potent guiding principle.
Originally posted by whodeySo you know what we don't do, but do you really know why according to the Bible? It's easy to criticize ones beliefs but you shouldn't do it if you really don't know why they believe it..
THese people are told by the organization that things like voting taints their "righteousness". In fact, they can't so much as celebrate a holiday because no matter the holiday they can trace the origins of it to some pagan root. So it would stand to reason that they would also decline to fight for the society that they are told to disassociate from by the organization because it would "taint" their righteousness as well.
Originally posted by galveston75Are you sure that speaking to me will not taint your righteousness? 😛
So you know what we don't do, but do you really know why according to the Bible? It's easy to criticize ones beliefs but you shouldn't do it if you really don't know why they believe it..
Originally posted by galveston75So tell us then where in the Bible Christ / Paul advised or implied that holidays should not be celebrated. Surely you can do that.
So you know what we don't do, but do you really know why according to the Bible? It's easy to criticize ones beliefs but you shouldn't do it if you really don't know why they believe it..
Im pretty sure that if you ask me or Whodey why we believe a particular doctrine, we can tell you a few lines why, and quote some authority in the Bible.
The fact is JWs do not derive their doctrine from the Bible and the teachings of Christ. Their doctrine is the result of the beliefs of a man, Charles Russell, who twisted the doctrine of Christ to such a degree that it now bears no resemblance to what Christ or Paul taught. Hence the reason for the JWs to have a separate bible and the reason why followers are warned not to study on their own.
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"""""So tell us then where in the Bible Christ / Paul advised or implied that holidays should not be celebrated. Surely you can do that.""""
Obviuosly most holidays did not exist back then that we have now. So no where in the bible does it say: Don't celebrate Christmas or Easter, etc.
Christmas, Easter, birthdays, holloween all have pagan origins that anyone..yes even you can look up in any encyolpedias and see that all have pagan origines. " Surley you can do that?"
Christians worship to God is to be with Truth. John 4:23,24. Gal 5:9. 2Cor 6:14-18.
A question for you on Birthdays in the Bible. Why is there not one record of any of Gods people in the complete Bible ever celebrating their birthday? Even with Jesus you think somewhere it would have been recorded that one of his followers would have thrown him a supprize party or something?
But there are only 3 birthdays talked about in the Bible. See if you can find them and who they were for... "Hint" They were all celebrated by pagans!!!!!
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Originally posted by galveston75You are a Sunday School teacher. You have the annoying habit of asking trivial questions and giving hints to what the answer is.
"""""So tell us then where in the Bible Christ / Paul advised or implied that holidays should not be celebrated. Surely you can do that.""""
Obviuosly most holidays did not exist back then that we have now. So no where in the bible does it say: Don't celebrate Christmas or Easter, etc.
Christmas, Easter, birthdays, holloween all have pagan origi find them and who they were for... "Hint" They were all celebrated by pagans!!!!!
Also, dont try to derail the topic by bringing up birthdays celebrated by pagans. You seem to think that if pagans celebrated birthdays then birthday celebrations must be wrong. Thats a lame argument, because by extension anything done by pagans will be wrong. This is not the case. It is as lame as many of your other arguments eg the Bible says nothing in the creation story about creation being perfect. Yet your argument for perfection is that God will not create anything imperfect. Its a nonsense argument.
The passages John 4:23,24. Gal 5:9. 2Cor 6:14-18., are all irrelevant to this topic.
The fact is, right and wrong (from a religious/spiritual standpoint) are clearly spelt out in the Bible by Christ and Paul. There is no ambuiguity in this regard, and they have left out nothing.
Now, I dont personally celebrate Christmas or Easter religious celebrations as Christ never said to do so. But it is a harmless tradition, especially as wise men from the east brought gifts to Christ on his birth. It is of no consequence that we dont know the date of Christ birth. Any religious group that makes an issue of this either for or against, are nitpickers and have totally missed the teachings of Christ.
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Originally posted by Rajk999Any religious group that makes an issue of this either for or against, are nitpickers and have totally missed the teachings of Christ.
You are a Sunday School teacher. You have the annoying habit of asking trivial questions and giving hints to what the answer is.
Also, dont try to derail the topic by bringing up birthdays celebrated by pagans. You seem to think that if pagans celebrated birthdays then birthday celebrations must be wrong. Thats a lame argument, because by extension anyth ...[text shortened]... e of this either for or against, are nitpickers and have totally missed the teachings of Christ.
Well said. I agree.
Furthermore I would say they have the spirit of the pharisees. Running around pointing fingers and judging everyone else. Reminds me when Jesus rebuked the pharisees for condemning the apostles for the plucking the grains of seed out of the wheat on the sabbath when hungry. Referring it to as working on the sabbath.
""""But it is a harmless tradition, especially as wise men from the east brought gifts to Christ on his birth. """""
You probably don't even know who these guys were, who sent them and for what reason..do you? What about the star they followed? Any idea who was behind that?
Soooooooo much you don't know.
Originally posted by galveston75I know one thing for sure. Who these guys were is not going to proove that we should or should not celebrate Christmas or Easter. So bringing up that is an attempt to sidestep and derail the topic. Dont try that.
""""But it is a harmless tradition, especially as wise men from the east brought gifts to Christ on his birth. """""
You probably don't even know who these guys were, who sent them and for what reason..do you? What about the star they followed? Any idea who was behind that?
Soooooooo much you don't know.
Im pretty sure also that you dont know who these guys were either. How ?
Its not stated in the Bible.
Its not clear through historical texts either.
I doubt its handed down through tradition who they were.
So if you claim to 'know' its purely guesswork based on some obscure statement in Revelation or other book. Understand this, guesses and haunches cannot constitute doctrine. Foolish power-hungry relgious leaders and dumb sheep-mentality followers are victims to this kind of thinking.
So answer your own questions. Tell us :
"..who these guys were,
who sent them and
for what reason.
What about the star they followed?
Any idea who was behind that? "
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Originally posted by KingDavid403Correct. I was going to hit him with the Pharisee thing next. But he is soft on the inside he cant take it .. 🙂
[b]Any religious group that makes an issue of this either for or against, are nitpickers and have totally missed the teachings of Christ.
Well said. I agree.
Furthermore I would say they have the spirit of the pharisees. Running around pointing fingers and judging everyone else. Reminds me when Jesus rebuked the pharisees for condemning the ...[text shortened]... of seed out of the wheat on the sabbath when hungry. Referring it to as working on the sabbath.[/b]
The lifestyle of Christ and the disciples and apostles is the key to understanding the Bible. People miss that and focus on minor issues which just serves to separate them from others and make them feel superior.
""""Its not stated in the Bible.
Its not clear through historical texts either.
I doubt its handed down through tradition who they were. """"
Oh my!!!!!! Read and weep. Matt 2nd chapter. As I said you know so little but sure know how to sound like you do...
Your actually starting to amuse me. Keep it up...