Originally posted by robbie carrobie I dont believe you Joseph, your opinions are meaningless without any substantiating reason, for example, 'that's obtuse', meaningless, 'the translation has been altered', meaningless drivel, evidence nil, 'i am at a loss for words', no one cares whether you are at a loss for words Jospeh, its meaningless in this context, do you understand? Your opini ...[text shortened]... aims spare me your meaningless opinions, seriously, think of other people, they have to read it.
Common' robbie, go back to the drawing board and try again! This thread's a dud. 😉
Originally posted by robbie carrobie another essentially meaningless opinion, evidence nil. Please think of other people prior to posting, they need to read the kind of drivel that you post.
Exactly. Think of them, and go sell your used cars somewhere else. We're not buying it.
Originally posted by Rajk999 I dont need to reconcile anything. Christ was clear:
- His Father is greater than Him.
Paul was clear:
- The head of Christ is God.
You say that Jesus and Jehovah are completely separate and both are saviours. And yet Isaiah says (several times):
43:11
"I, even I, am the LORD, And there is no savior besides Me.
Why do you feel you do not need to reconcile this OT teaching with your belief?
Originally posted by Suzianne Exactly. Think of them, and go sell your used cars somewhere else. We're not buying it.
The thread was not created with the view to whether you are buying anything, reasons were given, whether you find them compelling or otherwise is not my affair. You have certainly been unable not only to refute them but as usual to provide a single compelling reason yourself, instead we are treated to more opinionated drivel.
Originally posted by divegeester You say that Jesus and Jehovah are completely separate and both are saviours. And yet Isaiah says (several times):
43:11
"I, even I, am the LORD, [b]And there is no savior besides Me.
Why do you feel you do not need to reconcile this OT teaching with your belief?[/b]
Why do you feel I need to, is the more important question. The whole purpose of the Bible is missed by people believing that they can figure it all out and they and they alone have the true and correct teaching. The purpose of the Bible is to tell of Gods plan - creating and redeeming mankind through his son Jesus and of how mankind can get eternal life by believing in Christ and following his commandments. I have nothing to reconcile.
As an atheist, skimming through the various theists' points of view, I would say that God should probably have been a bit clearer when he wrote (dictated?) the Bible.
But, carry on arguing whose nonsensical arguments make more sense, theists. It's somewhat amusing.
Next up: does the Loch Ness monster have two or three heads?
Originally posted by Rajk999 I dont need to reconcile anything. Christ was clear:
- His Father is greater than Him.
Paul was clear:
- The head of Christ is God.
Was Paul also clear when he said of Jesus, "the fullness of the Godhead dwelt in Him bodily", huh?
Or was Paul clear when he wrote this to Timothy?
Without controversy, the mystery of godliness is great: God was revealed in the flesh, justified in the spirit, seen by angels, preached among the nations, believed on in the world, and received up in glory.
(1 Timothy 3:16)
Was Jesus clear when He said,
“All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you"
Originally posted by RJHinds Was Paul also clear when he said of Jesus, "the fullness of the Godhead dwelt in Him bodily", huh?
Or was Paul clear when he wrote this to Timothy?
Without controversy, the mystery of godliness is great: God was revealed in the flesh, justified in the spirit, seen by angels, preached among the nations, believed on in the world, and received up ...[text shortened]... rit, teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you"
Originally posted by Rajk999 How does any of make Christ = God
God was revealed in the flesh of Jesus, according to this verse as well as John 1:14, I believe it is without looking it up. That make Jesus equal to God in all those verses. The Father is also equal to God and the Holy Spirit is also equal to God. None of that prevents the Father from be greater than Jesus or Jesus being given all authority, since the fullness of the Godhead dwells in Him bodily.
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