Originally posted by RJHindswhat happened to fire and brimstone forever, you seem to throw that one out when it seems to help you with whatever argument you make ATT.
When Jesus has His angels cast the wicked into outer darknes or the Lake of Fire, He is done with them. He is not hanging around continually tormenting them as you seem to imply. Their torment is due to the fact that they have chosen not to believe in the light of Christ, but to be apart from him and His blessings, and there is no longer any chance of repentance available. Their choice is final and forever.
Originally posted by sonhouse
what happened to fire and brimstone forever, you seem to throw that one out when it seems to help you with whatever argument you make ATT.
Didn't you read the first part where I said cast into "outer darknes or the Lake of Fire" which is the same as the Lake of Fire and Brimstone that lasts forever?
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Originally posted by RJHindsAfter 40 years of struggling to understand scripture and getting to know God I've only been able to identify two denominations I don't have any particular problem with... baptist and pentecostal. With nearly every other denomination (some I'm not familiar with) I've seen varying degrees of understanding and adherence to scripture.
It appears to me that lemon lime agrees with me, if you don't like it, then that is tough. He does not want to discuss it with you anymore. 😏
Disagreement over some points don't seem especially unusual to me, but disagreement over other points frankly have me stumped. Like the idea that Jesus is the son of God but he didn't actually exist until he was born as a man. All I need to do to clear this up for myself is to look at John 1: 1-13. I also remember reading where Jesus had said "Before Moses was I AM". I AM is a proper name for God (the Father) revealed to Moses after Moses asked God for his name. There are other passages that point to Jesus existing (as God) from the beginning, but the two examples I've given here are enough to settle the question for myself.
The 'God cannot die' argument doesn't hold up because the Bible says Jesus gave up his spirit (commended it to God). So allowing his physical body to die was actually an act of will rather than a natural consequence of being beaten and nailed to a cross. He died before the other two being crucified died, but he was beaten so badly before being nailed to a cross it astonishes me that he lasted as long as he did.