Homosexuals have no chance by this standard.
Condemned at birth.
Every gay i've ever met is gay by nature, just as others are straight by nature.
It's NOT a choice IMO.
You are what you are.
Who amoung you could change your sexuality if you chose to?
Therefore, if a gay acts on his/her nature .. they sin. If they "look on" someone with lust in their heart .. they sin.
Sit in the corner and don't think of anything but God ... forever.
Created in God's image?
Condemned at conception?
Hey God, what's up with that? You just like to torture some people or what?
Originally posted by CritaWow! You have no idea how big a can of worms you opened.
So, with the Law being fulfilled through Christ (remember, He didn't abolish it), that makes all those laws in Dueteronomy etc irrelevant?
OK, I can follow that far. But isn't that the section of the bible that deals with homosexuality as a sin? Or is there a reference to it in the New Testement? (Remember, sexual immorality doesn't count, because that happens in hetero relationships too)
Look, the law has different parts, ceremonial, dietary, moral, etc. The moral law is what we are talking about here because we're talking about our conduct. The law was given for the primary purpose of exposing sin. The point of the law being nailed to the cross is that it is no longer an obstacle in the way of you having a relationship with God.
Jesus kept the law perfectly on your behalf because you can't. You know, " for God so loved the world that he gave his son".
Please read galations chapter 3. You'll find some very interesting things there about the "law".
Also, look at romans 1:24-32 concerning the homosexual issue.
Originally posted by josephwOk, will do.
Wow! You have no idea how big a can of worms you opened.
Look, the law has different parts, ceremonial, dietary, moral, etc. The moral law is what we are talking about here because we're talking about our conduct. The law was given for the primary purpose of exposing sin. The point of the law being nailed to the cross is that it is no longer an obstacle in ...[text shortened]... ngs there about the "law".
Also, look at romans 1:24-32 concerning the homosexual issue.
Can you answer my question to you in the other thread about Jesus's descent into Hell re: the two sections of Hell?
Thanks.
Originally posted by josephwWhat a way to waste your life. Why not can this religion BS, open your eyes and start living for yourself?
Wow! You have no idea how big a can of worms you opened.
Look, the law has different parts, ceremonial, dietary, moral, etc. The moral law is what we are talking about here because we're talking about our conduct. The law was given for the primary purpose of exposing sin. The point of the law being nailed to the cross is that it is no longer an obstacle in ...[text shortened]... ngs there about the "law".
Also, look at romans 1:24-32 concerning the homosexual issue.
Originally posted by jammerI don't know what to tell you jammer. Do you believe anything the bible says?
Homosexuals have no chance by this standard.
Condemned at birth.
Every gay i've ever met is gay by nature, just as others are straight by nature.
It's NOT a choice IMO.
You are what you are.
Who amoung you could change your sexuality if you chose to?
Therefore, if a gay acts on his/her nature .. they sin. If they "look on" someone with lust in thei ...[text shortened]... conception?
Hey God, what's up with that? You just like to torture some people or what?
I know this will be a hard pill to swallow, but, to be honest, it is apparent that you are blinded by your hatred of the bible and stuff. I can hear it in your comments.
Don't get me wrong. I can see the hypocracy in the church and in the lives of so called christians. Is that what it is?
There's a verse that says " let God be true and all men be liars"
I might be shooting in the dark.
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Originally posted by josephw1 Corinthians 5 says that you are not to associate with sexually immoral people, greedy people, drunks, idolators, slanderers, and swindlers. They are wicked men, and you must cast them out. You can't even eat with them.
Everyone is welcome to come to my church. No one has ever been kicked out.
But if you can't stand hearing the bible being taught you won't stay.
It sounds like your church is blatantly disregarding the clear directive of the Apostle Paul. I wonder if it is a place that really values teaching the bible when it so cavalierly shirks scriptural commands.
Originally posted by josephwI guess I could find several things in the Bible that I believe .. anyone should be able to, it says just about everything at one point or another.
I don't know what to tell you jammer. Do you believe anything the bible says?
I know this will be a hard pill to swallow, but, to be honest, it is apparent that you are blinded by your hatred of the bible and stuff. I can hear it in your comments.
Don't get me wrong. I can see the hypocracy in the church and in the lives of so called christians. Is th ...[text shortened]... verse that says " let God be true and all men be liars"
I might be shooting in the dark.
If that's "Gods word" He has a strange way of saying things.
You say " it is apparent that you are blinded by your hatred of the bible and stuff. I can hear it in your comments."
Not hatred .. confussion. The Bible is all over the place and can be taken to say anything one is looking for.
" I can see the hypocracy in the church and in the lives of so called christians. Is that what it is?"
That's part of it, yeah. The hypocracy .. the nerve it takes to come right out and say .. "If you were born gay .. you're goin' to hell." The judgemental part, the speaking for God part, the "i'll tell you what the Bible says 'cause you're to dumb to get it." part. The talking down to people, the arrogance, the pious, self'rightious, sanctimonious crap that spews out of so called "Christians" mouths on a daily basis.
That's what I have against the Bible .. it's spokespeople here on Earth.
Originally posted by jammerGood post
Homosexuals have no chance by this standard.
Condemned at birth.
Every gay i've ever met is gay by nature, just as others are straight by nature.
It's NOT a choice IMO.
You are what you are.
Who amoung you could change your sexuality if you chose to?
Therefore, if a gay acts on his/her nature .. they sin. If they "look on" someone with lust in thei ...[text shortened]... conception?
Hey God, what's up with that? You just like to torture some people or what?
NOriginally posted by BigDoggProblemYou assume too much BigDoggProblem. Those I have fellowship with and I never cavalierly shirk the scriptures. The mere suggestion from you only proves that you can't hold the argument / debate.
1 Corinthians 5 says that you are [b]not to associate with sexually immoral people, greedy people, drunks, idolators, slanderers, and swindlers. They are wicked men, and you must cast them out. You can't even eat with them.
It sounds like your church is blatantly disregarding the clear directive of the Apostle Paul. I wonder if it is a place that really values teaching the bible when it so cavalierly shirks scriptural commands.[/b]
1 Corinthians 5 has to do with disipline within the body of the local assembly and not with unbelievers. Be sure when you site the book you understand who is being talked about. Look at the context.
Hey Big Dogg, I'm not mad. I'm enjoying the debate here in the forum. What grieves me though is the misinformation people have about the bible. But I'm not surprized. Example; have you heard it said that "God helps those that help themselves"? Tell me what you think.
Originally posted by jammerYou're mad too?
I guess I could find several things in the Bible that I believe .. anyone should be able to, it says just about everything at one point or another.
If that's "Gods word" He has a strange way of saying things.
You say " it is apparent that you are blinded by your hatred of the bible and stuff. I can hear it in your comments."
Not hatred .. confussion. T ...[text shortened]...
That's what I have against the Bible .. it's spokespeople here on Earth.
Yes, it's true. there are those that call themselves christian who only bring reproach on the name of Christ by their actions. But don't judge God for it!
Yes, people can and do make the bible say whatever suits them. But stop and think for a momment, if God really did inspire the book, and has preserved it too, then there must be a true interpretation. The trick is finding it.
I have more to say, but I'm at the library and my time is running out. Lucky for you, eh? lol
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Originally posted by josephwI'm judging you by your actions. Your claims mean nothing if you do the opposite in practice.
You assume too much BigDoggProblem. Those I have fellowship with and I never cavalierly shirk the scriptures. The mere suggestion from you only proves that you can't hold the argument / debate.
1 Corinthians 5 has to do with disipline within the body of the local assembly and not with unbelievers. Be sure when you site the book you understand who is being ave you heard it said that "God helps those that help themselves"? Tell me what you think.
I originally asked you, "How many greedy people and drunks have you kicked out of your church?" (emphasis added). So, take your own advice: Be sure that you read my posts and understanding who is being talked about.
You have not given me any detail about your church, nor answered my questions about it. I highly doubt that there are never any alcoholics in your church, or people having affairs, etc. So the question remains: If they are there, and you know of their behavior, why aren't you following the command of 1 Cor 5 and kicking them out of the church?
How can the church condemn people of other lifestyles when it can't even get its own rules straight?
I'm not mad either, but I think your statements about gays are irresponsible, thoughtless, and harmful.
Edit: Forgot to talk about "God helps those who help themselves". I think that phrase was invented to rob people of the credit for improving their own life.
Originally posted by BigDoggProblemI read your post and replied. Didn't you see it?
I'm judging you by your actions. Your claims mean nothing if you do the opposite in practice.
I originally asked you, "How many greedy people and drunks have you kicked out of your [b]church?" (emphasis added). So, take your own advice: Be sure that you read my posts and understanding who is being talked about.
You have not given me any deta ...[text shortened]... think that phrase was invented to rob people of the credit for improving their own life.[/b]