Natural causes instead of unnatural

@kellyjay said
When you think about all of the instructions in life guiding all of the processes that
occur in life, are those natural or unnatural things to you? If you claim natural, how
did those instructions get there, by some natural or unnatural means?

I know full well why you are sidestepping it, but I'll give it another try:

When you read the Book of Genesis, did you immediately conclude that it was "the only meta-narrative that makes sense"? Has your "observing of the world and cosmos" - and any attempts to discuss it - been affected by the Book of Genesis ever since?

@fmf said
I think the honest answer is that we do not know what that process was and we can only speculate.

Your use of certain words ~ "mind", "purpose" and a "goal" and a "guide" with "instructions" and "someone who always was" and "He always was" and "caring" and so on and so forth ~ makes it clear that you seek to anthropomorphize the entity.

Seeing as you frequently lapse into ...[text shortened]... s some kind of creator entity that exists ~ the nature of which, we can only offer conjecture about.

Please you claim we CAN NOT know anything about the supernatural that is an absolute claim. Now you also can’t tell what is natural, interesting, noted.

@fmf said
I know full well why you are sidestepping it, but I'll give it another try:

When you read the Book of Genesis, did you immediately conclude that it was "the only meta-narrative that makes sense"? Has your "observing of the world and cosmos" - and any attempts to discuss it - been affected by the Book of Genesis ever since?

You know full well why I do things, at least there is something you feel you have a grasp on.

@fmf said
What "instructions"?

You really have no clue, seriously, I guess it is clear why you don’t know. You don’t even know what the conversation is about.

@kellyjay said
Please you claim we CAN NOT know anything about the supernatural that is an absolute claim.

It is my subjective belief that we can only speculate and form beliefs about supernatural things and cannot know about them in terms of objective facts.

@kellyjay said
You really have no clue, seriously, I guess it is clear why you don’t know. You don’t even know what the conversation is about.

What "instructions" are you talking about? You are determined to anthropomorphize the possible entity implied by this topic because you base your beliefs on the Book of Genesis. I am simply not playing along.

@kellyjay said
You know full well why I do things, at least there is something you feel you have a grasp on.

I think you do the things you do in these conversations because you are, for all intents and purposes, both a religious fundamentalist and a propagandist.

@kellyjay said
Now you also can’t tell what is natural, interesting, noted.

What on Earth are you on about now?

@fmf said
When you read the Book of Genesis, did you immediately conclude that it was "the only meta-narrative that makes sense"? Has your "observing of the world and cosmos" - and any attempts to discuss it - been affected by the Book of Genesis ever since?

BUMP for KellyJay.

@kellyjay said
You are mistaken with respect to error checking in the biological world. Error checking is correcting possible errors in preforming necessary tasks. There are feedback loops, start stop mechanisms highly complex data storage in life, without these life would degrade very quickly.

The answer to my question is that you think the bottom up approach in life due to mindless processes without a goal is natural not unnatural thing?

Well ain't nature a clever old thing then.... Nature is by definition natural; tell you what, why don't you ask me exactly the same question again so that I can give you exactly the same answer? But then...That would be a waste of everyone's time, wouldn't it?

Here's one you haven't answered yet; how old do you believe the earth to be?

@fmf said
It is my subjective belief that we can only speculate and form beliefs about supernatural things and cannot know about them in terms of objective facts.

Really, so something that occurs outside of the laws of the universe as we identify them you could not recognize and identify it?

@indonesia-phil said
Well ain't nature a clever old thing then.... Nature is by definition natural; tell you what, why don't you ask me exactly the same question again so that I can give you exactly the same answer? But then...That would be a waste of everyone's time, wouldn't it?

Here's one you haven't answered yet; how old do you believe the earth to be?

Do you acknowledge DNA, that there is information driving life’s processes? You think nothing about it being in life and that it directs life’s cellular functions?

I assumed you did that you didn’t think it was magical but if it is natural. It had to start somewhere in time, so information’s origin as it entered life’s processes do you call that natural or unnatural?

Yes we can say nature is natural, but that is not my question is it! What explanation sounds more unnatural? If it is all due to mindless processes, goalless, without respect to success or failure that sound natural to you?

I don’t know how old the earth is, I believe in a young earth mainly because of how I think everything started. The truth about that for me is that the length of time isn’t a factor for me, it doesn’t add to or takes away anything from what I think the main issues are. It is all about the timing of events in proper sequence with the proper ingredients connecting in the right place, in the right environment. Which boils down to mind or mindlessness? Can both give us the universe and life as we see and experience?

@kellyjay said
Really, so something that occurs outside of the laws of the universe as we identify them you could not recognize and identify it?

I believeve we can only speculate about supernatural things, yes, that's right. You can use the words "recognise" and "identify" if you want to, but doing so does not alter the reality that the perceiving and the asserting you do - or that I do - is entirely speculative and subjective.