Natural causes instead of unnatural

@indonesia-phil said
Yes, we all know about DNA, I don't understand your second sentence.

I've said before that everything in nature, by its' very nature, is natural, and therefore cannot be unnatural. Your attempting to play with words like this is pointless, so let's introduce a new word. When we introduce the idea of a creator entity, we move into the realms of the supernatural, (tha ...[text shortened]... one on quite well without your imagined god for a great deal longer than you think the earth is old.

As I said I don’t care how old you think it all is, as far as I am concerned it’s meaningless. You can take any age you desire and double it, it doesn’t matter to me.

It is not length of time it is timing!

I am not asking you to accept anything but to look critically at one thing. Can mindlessness produce the specified function complexity in life? Does it seem to you just an natural outgrowth of nature or does mindlessness come up short being inadequate?

@kellyjay said
You only know what you know and believe what you believe, your experiences all center around you. You believe you grasp everything by your life? That’s pretty self-centered!

When it comes to the psychological reality of religious belief and faith, it's pretty clear that I have a shrewder, better informed, and more insightful understanding of these phenomena than you do. This is why your conversational integrity-pants are at your ankles most of the time. Yes, I have a good grasp of my life. You, meanwhile, by your own admission just the other day, are both equally as evil as a rapist [you said it, not me] AND immortal. Way to go, KellyJay!

@fmf said
When it comes to the psychological reality of religious belief and faith, it's pretty clear that I have a shrewder, better informed, and more insightful understanding of these phenomena than you do. This is why your conversational integrity-pants are at your ankles most of the time. Yes, I have a good grasp of my life. You, meanwhile, by your own admission just the other day, are both equally as evil as a rapist [you said it, not me] AND immortal. Way to go, KellyJay!

Your assumptions and assessments about psychological realities are meaningless to me, if you can’t discuss what we see in reality your judgment is also meaningless. You are better off sticking only those things between your ears!

@kellyjay said
Your assumptions and assessments about psychological realities are meaningless to me, if you can’t discuss what we see in reality your judgment is also meaningless. You are better off sticking only those things between your ears!

That you are at pains to claim my observations and analysis are "meaningless" to you just makes you seem even more evasive and foolish.

@fmf said
That you are at pains to claim my observations and analysis are "meaningless" to you just makes you seem even more evasive and foolish.

I don’t give a rats a$$ about your thoughts about me when the question I asked was about something you can grasp in the real world. You can make a million claims about anything, but if you don’t address the question who cares!

@kellyjay said
I don’t give a rats a$$ about your thoughts about me when the question I asked was about something you can grasp in the real world. You can make a million claims about anything, but if you don’t address the question who cares!

There is absolutely no evidence you have read or understood any of my numerous responses to your questions. Why can't you converse in good faith?

@kellyjay said
If you don’t address the question who cares!

Don't be so disingenuous. I have addressed your question over and over and over and over again.

@kellyjay said
As I said I don’t care how old you think it all is, as far as I am concerned it’s meaningless. You can take any age you desire and double it, it doesn’t matter to me.

It is not length of time it is timing!

I am not asking you to accept anything but to look critically at one thing. Can mindlessness produce the specified function complexity in life? Does it seem to you just an natural outgrowth of nature or does mindlessness come up short being inadequate?

It really shouldn't be meaningless to you though, should it, since the scientifically verified and accepted age of the earth flies in the face of that which is written in your 'scriptures', which brings the 'truth' of your scriptures into serious doubt. I don't blame the scribes, they knew no different, but we do. It should matter to you if you wish to engage in any serious discourse on biblical matters.

'Can mindlessness produce the specified function complexity in life?' Yes, apparently it can.

'Does it seem to you just an (sic) natural outgrowth of nature....' What?

'....or does mindlessness come up short being inadequate?' No, apparently it doesn't, and isn't.

@fmf said
That you are at pains to claim my observations and analysis are "meaningless" to you just makes you seem even more evasive and foolish.

Please your hard hitting assessment of a binary choice is one is right. Nothing you say has substance as far as I am concerned, Mr Speculation is in the house!.

@kellyjay said
Please your hard hitting assessment of a binary choice is one is right. Nothing you say has substance as far as I am concerned, Mr Speculation is in the house!.

You seem to be running away from a discussion you were presumably only pretending to want to have.

@kellyjay said
Mr Speculation is in the house!.

All your religious assertions about "instructions" from your anthropomorphized God figure are speculations, through and through.

@fmf said
You seem to be running away from a discussion you were presumably only pretending to want to have.

Didn’t you solve the question it could be one or the other?

@kellyjay said
Didn’t you solve the question it could be one or the other?

I pointed out that the honest answer is that we simply do not know "the answer" and that there may well be some kind of creator entity.

You want to speculate and frame the discussion with disingenuously loaded words like "instructions" and "purpose" and "love" because you are a religious propagandist with an apparent aversion to good faith conversation with people unimpressed by your theistic speculations.

Lest we forget, your assertions that we are "equally as guilty" and "evil" as rapists and that we all deserve to be tortured for eternity are BASED on your speculations

@kellyjay said
Please your hard hitting assessment of a binary choice is one is right.

And your "hard-hitting" response to why the entity that might be the cause of the universe, in your superstitious mind, MUST be anthropomorphized, you babble on about what ancient Hebrew writings say, while insisting dishonestly that the Bible "has nothing to do with it.

@indonesia-phil said
It really shouldn't be meaningless to you though, should it, since the scientifically verified and accepted age of the earth flies in the face of that which is written in your 'scriptures', which brings the 'truth' of your scriptures into serious doubt. I don't blame the scribes, they knew no different, but we do. It should matter to you if you wish to engage in any se ...[text shortened]...

'....or does mindlessness come up short being inadequate?' No, apparently it doesn't, and isn't.

Well, life takes energy from different sources and converts them so they are useful,
that is done with biological machines in life, along with information that drives life
so that in complex life liver cells are made there they are needed, skin cells, and so
on all of this due to the instructions in life's code. Do you think seeing this popup
without a guide, and intervention just a natural outtake of mindless processes?