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Originally posted by robbie carrobie
yes its true, these ideas and concepts are completely alien, although i do find it quite interesting myself, hopefully in the future i can gain a little more insight into the Zen workings, for I do like to read the koans myself and have always been interested in eastern culture, principally through martial arts when i was younger. Indeed if i was not a practising Christian, i think i would embrace Buddhism ๐Ÿ™‚
Edit: "Indeed if i was not a practising Christian, i think i would embrace Buddhism"

And again, if there would be something you could embrace, it would be merely a projection of your own mind๐Ÿ˜ต

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Originally posted by black beetle
Edit: "Indeed if i was not a practising Christian, i think i would embrace Buddhism"

And again, if there would be something you could embrace, it would be merely a projection of your own mind๐Ÿ˜ต
Namaste, ji ๐Ÿ˜€

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Originally posted by robbie carrobie
yes its true, these ideas and concepts are completely alien, although i do find it quite interesting myself, hopefully in the future i can gain a little more insight into the Zen workings, for I do like to read the koans myself and have always been interested in eastern culture, principally through martial arts when i was younger. Indeed if i was not a practising Christian, i think i would embrace Buddhism ๐Ÿ™‚
Methinks it is not necessary to be a Buddhist in order to develop your own Zen (your own spirit) by means of deep meditation over specific epistemic objects. I meditate on emptiness and on the outcome of the realisation of this unit of knowledge, and I apply a personal Koan Zen-Madhyamaka-GraecoBuddhism reasoning that I cultivate it constantly keeping always in mind that my personal (empty/ relative) “truth” is merely a projection of my mind and not the “absolute truth”.
You, as a Christian, you can well meditate on Jesus and on the scriptures of your religion and, consequently, on the outcome of the realisation of these units of knowledge. For example, Saint Augustine has a meditative approach when he is talking about the “inner turn” of the Christian, an inner turn that it is necessary for the discarding of all the afflictions from the mind, so that the Christian gains the ability to focus on God. Well, this is clearly Bhakti Yoga!
Bhakti Yoga is also performed by Catholics, Sufists, Vedantists and specific QBLH practitioners amongst else, and it is accepted by the Prophet too (according to a hadith, “One hour of meditation is worth of 60 years of good works”, isn’t this deep?).
You see, the sole way the people can use when they want to “taste” the “Ultimate Reality that stands above all Names”, is deep meditation.

Of course, meditation is the sole way to keep your bodymind in constant conceptual and non-conceptual awareness: an athlete will focus in full his bodymind on the soon to come action and s/he will pay not the slightest attention to the crowd -this is zen. The advanced chessplayer will focus in full on the position, in fact her/ his whole world is the position -this is zen.
Finally, an atheist can well meditate on the basis of the accuracy of her/ his theory of reality and s/he will try to overcome, by means of applying solid philosophic and scientific finds and evidence, all the possible falsifications that arise
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Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Namaste, ji ๐Ÿ˜€
And I bow to you
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Originally posted by karoly aczel
Possibly through the traditions of Gnostic Christianity?
Would you please rephrase? I don't understand what exactly are you asking me
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Originally posted by josephw
Balderdash!

When all is said and done, we all get up in the morning with the sun in our eyes, a bladder full, and we put our pants on one leg at a time.

It's amazing how many different ways a man will go to hide his face from God.
Would you like me to tell you on the spot how does one speak with one's lips and throat closed?
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Originally posted by vistesd
There is a bell that resonates
in my being
all the way down—

The rest is just the noise of games
we play on the pitch
of our relative mind—

There is a bell that rings
well-being in my being
all the way down:
I hope that it rings for you.
There is really no bell
There is really no ring
Out of the clear light
Each rainbow so fine-woven
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Originally posted by vistesd
There is a bell that resonates
in my being
all the way down—

The rest is just the noise of games
we play on the pitch
of our relative mind—

There is a bell that rings
well-being in my being
all the way down:
I hope that it rings for you.
I hear the ring. It sounds like Christ.

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Originally posted by black beetle
Would you like me to tell you on the spot how does one speak with one's lips and throat closed?
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Sir, I mean no disrespect.

My only wish and desire is to persuade you through friendly, yet pointed debate.

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Originally posted by josephw
Sir, I mean no disrespect.

My only wish and desire is to persuade you through friendly, yet pointed debate.
Oh I know we do respect each other regardless of our different tradition๐Ÿ˜ต

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Originally posted by black beetle
Oh I know we do respect each other regardless of our different tradition๐Ÿ˜ต
Yes. It's a universal truth understood and practiced by all reasoning men/women.

Thanks. Have a great day! ๐Ÿ™‚

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Originally posted by josephw
Yes. It's a universal truth understood and practiced by all reasoning men/women.

Thanks. Have a great day! ๐Ÿ™‚
Have a great day too๐Ÿ˜ต

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Originally posted by robbie carrobie
I find myself in a position of having no pressing desires. I do not want to be richer, nor poorer, more loved by those who are close to me, nor liked by those who are far away. I do not want to reside on a tropical island nor do i wish to be famous. I have no desire to create, to build, nor to tear down. I do not desire power or a position of exce ...[text shortened]... on of not really desiring anything at all. Am i enlightened or clinically depressed or neither?
perhaps you have died, and your soul has not realized it yet.

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Originally posted by black beetle
There is really no bell
There is really no ring
Out of the clear light
Each rainbow so fine-woven
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I am no content at all.

Nevertheless—

I bow.

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Originally posted by vistesd
I am no content at all.

Nevertheless—

I bow.
And I bow to you, my old friend;


Not content? Is the moon content? Is the rain content? We are born, we will die; or Zorbas took a walk at last?
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