Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
[b]No Middle Ground
Christ was either who and what He claimed to be or he was the worst fraud and imposter
the world has ever known. No ordinary 'good man' would make such outrageous claims.
You are not accounting for a common oversight: We have no written document attributable to Jesus as the actual author. Everything said about him including everything we have in document form that he allegedly said, was written by some other author. In that day, these authors would be going often, on hearsay. There are many sources you can find where the historicity of these alleged acts and words of Jesus is brought into question.
Please do not forget that you are the one who started this thread analyzing and seeking a rational basis for the claims by and about Jesus. A rational basis would begin with the hypothesis that a natural set of human motivations led to the stories that were told, grew in their fabulous details, were written down about Jesus, then were eventually selected, by humans, for sanctification as the Word of God. Jesus didn't write a word of it. Even the words put into his mouth were written by others, based on their memories or how they imagined the events and words of Jesus would have fit their beliefs about him. Just as we each do today. Making Jesus into our own image of him. Theist and atheist alike.
Of course the Word of God could be argued to have been guided in truthfulness by God. And that's why it's called the Word of God. So you can have it your way, either way.
Nothing is resolved. No one's mind is changed.
Happy new year to all.