1. Standard memberRJHinds
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    09 Jul '11 03:39
    Originally posted by 667joe
    Yes, but with a bank, I know that their purpose is to make money, and they are not hypocrites about it. Churches, however, are wolves in sheep's clothing. Some bankers may molest children, but not under the guise of their official duties.
    Remember churches have to make money too. They have expenses
    for the maintenace of the building, eletric bill, water bill, etc. Many
    activities cost money. But if you do not want to donate any money
    you don't have to. Most churches nowdays do not have enough
    volunteers to take care of a nursery, music, and administrative needs.
    They may want to have a bulletin prepared to send to members to
    inform them of the scheduled activities of the church. If they have
    a full-time minister, music director, church secretary, etc. they will
    need to collect enough donations to pay them a salary. They may
    also want to provide help to the needy in the community, etc. So
    it is not likely to be much of a church without money to support it.
  2. Standard memberSoothfast
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    09 Jul '11 05:30
    Originally posted by 667joe
    As an atheist, I generally avoid going into churches. Sometimes, though, it is unavoidable such as for weddings and funerals. Every time I go , though, I leave with an unclean feeling. This is because I think of all the lies and untruths, all of the bloodshed, the torturing of innocent (witches and unbelievers),the anti gay propaganda, child molestation, ...[text shortened]... olic), the blocking of stem cell research, etc. etc.

    I am glad to get this off my chest!
    Generally speaking I don't like going to such "churchy" functions because, when I'm there, They Assume I Am They. They don't even think about it. And I often wonder what would become of their plastic smiles if they somehow discovered, in a single telepathic instant, just how far removed my belief system is from theirs.
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    09 Jul '11 05:31
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    Remember churches have to make money too. They have expenses
    for the maintenace of the building, eletric bill, water bill, etc. Many
    activities cost money. But if you do not want to donate any money
    you don't have to. Most churches nowdays do not have enough
    volunteers to take care of a nursery, music, and administrative needs.
    They may want to have ...[text shortened]... n the community, etc. So
    it is not likely to be much of a church without money to support it.
    Don't forget their political crusades to establish a theocracy. Very important part of the budget, y'know.
  4. Standard memberRJHinds
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    09 Jul '11 05:44
    Originally posted by Soothfast
    Don't forget their political crusades to establish a theocracy. Very important part of the budget, y'know.
    Do you feel in the giving mood now?
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    09 Jul '11 05:48
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    Do you feel in the giving mood now?
    If you're angling for a golden shower just give me a chance to chug this cider here...
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    09 Jul '11 12:431 edit
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    Remember churches have to make money too. They have expenses
    for the maintenace of the building, eletric bill, water bill, etc. Many
    activities cost money. But if you do not want to donate any money
    you don't have to. Most churches nowdays do not have enough
    volunteers to take care of a nursery, music, and administrative needs.
    They may want to have ...[text shortened]... n the community, etc. So
    it is not likely to be much of a church without money to support it.
    If the chief purpose of the church is to do charity, why don't they do charity and leave religion out of it. No! Charity sounds good. It is good, but it's not the church's chief purpose. Bernie Maddoff did plenty of charity.
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    09 Jul '11 13:15
    Originally posted by Soothfast
    Generally speaking I don't like going to such "churchy" functions because, when I'm there, They Assume I Am They. They don't even think about it. And I often wonder what would become of their plastic smiles if they somehow discovered, in a single telepathic instant, just how far removed my belief system is from theirs.
    I had that one rubbed in my face a few months ago. I was manipulated into attending a weekend religious retreat where they were blatantly trying to program you to be christian. VERY christian. How I got through that horror filled weekend I don't know. Mainly I brought my guitar and played it as much as possible to keep my sanity and avoid the evangelicalism going on incessantly all weekend long.
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    09 Jul '11 15:11
    Originally posted by 667joe
    So far, I have not molested any children or burned any one at the stake.
    Well, at least you're not closing the door on those activities.
    Way to think ahead.
  9. Standard memberRJHinds
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    10 Jul '11 03:13
    Originally posted by Soothfast
    Generally speaking I don't like going to such "churchy" functions because, when I'm there, They Assume I Am They. They don't even think about it. And I often wonder what would become of their plastic smiles if they somehow discovered, in a single telepathic instant, just how far removed my belief system is from theirs.
    You should not be going to a church, if you go there only to find fault.
    You are being a hypocrite by going and pretending you are one of them.
    If you want to attend to learn something you should annouce that you
    are an atheist and the reason you are there at the very beginning so
    no one is mistakened. If you really want to learn and your mind is open
    to being a Christian let them know, because more than likely there will be
    someone there that would be willing to help you. Otherwise, stay away.
  10. Standard memberRJHinds
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    10 Jul '11 03:49
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    You should not be going to a church, if you go there only to find fault.
    You are being a hypocrite by going and pretending you are one of them.
    If you want to attend to learn something you should annouce that you
    are an atheist and the reason you are there at the very beginning so
    no one is mistakened. If you really want to learn and your mind is open
    ...[text shortened]... an likely there will be
    someone there that would be willing to help you. Otherwise, stay away.
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    10 Jul '11 03:531 edit
    Originally posted by 667joe
    If the chief purpose of the church is to do charity, why don't they do charity and leave religion out of it. No! Charity sounds good. It is good, but it's not the church's chief purpose. Bernie Maddoff did plenty of charity.
    Why is it that some people pick one little thing out of something another person
    says and makes that the whole point of the converstion and miss the original
    point altogether?
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    10 Jul '11 04:29
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    Why is it that some people pick one little thing out of something another person
    says and makes that the whole point of the converstion and miss the original
    point altogether?
    Which was?
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    10 Jul '11 05:14
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    You should not be going to a church, if you go there only to find fault.
    You are being a hypocrite by going and pretending you are one of them.
    If you want to attend to learn something you should annouce that you
    are an atheist and the reason you are there at the very beginning so
    no one is mistakened. If you really want to learn and your mind is open
    ...[text shortened]... an likely there will be
    someone there that would be willing to help you. Otherwise, stay away.
    I'm talking about family events like a funeral or something. Not the kind of thing I can reasonably "skip," and not the kind of time to go around militantly declaring my atheism. The closer relatives will know me well enough, but then there are the distant relations, friends of friends, former colleagues of the deceased, and so on. What gave you the idea I'm waltzing into churches of my own volition hoping to "learn" something? I'd rather bend my fingernails back with a pair of pliers and a jug of bleach.
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    10 Jul '11 05:21
    Originally posted by sonhouse
    I had that one rubbed in my face a few months ago. I was manipulated into attending a weekend religious retreat where they were blatantly trying to program you to be christian. VERY christian. How I got through that horror filled weekend I don't know. Mainly I brought my guitar and played it as much as possible to keep my sanity and avoid the evangelicalism going on incessantly all weekend long.
    Good grief. And no death metal CDs or Hustler mags to keep 'em at bay? Just you and your guitar?

    Now I'm reminded of my many, many years of being forced to go to church when I was younger, including a week-long Christian camp out in the boondocks one summer. I don't remember it being too traumatic, but I do remember I didn't crap the whole time.
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    10 Jul '11 06:10
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    Charles Darwin discovered a love of killing. He wrote, "How well I remember
    killing my first snipe. My excitement was so great that I had difficulty in
    reloading my gun from the trembling of my hands. This taste continued
    long, and I became a very good shot."

    Sigmund Freud believed that a female is a failed boy and a woman, a castrated
    man. He als ...[text shortened]... lemish of mankind."

    Only three examples of what Atheism has produced in our society.
    Atheism does not produce anything. It is not a belief system.

    Nobody does anything in the name of atheism.

    You cannot blame atheism for anything .. except perhaps asking people to think and question archaic superstitions.
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