1. Subscriberhuckleberryhound
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    Does a good man go to heaven if he doesnt believe in God ?


    sorry thiests, ah aint pickin on you's πŸ™‚
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    21 Jun '06 12:08
    Originally posted by huckleberryhound
    Does a good man go to heaven if he doesnt believe in God ?


    sorry thiests, ah aint pickin on you's πŸ™‚
    Define "good".

    This is not really a "quick one".
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    21 Jun '06 12:18
    Originally posted by Halitose
    Define "good".

    This is not really a "quick one".
    hmm . . .tricky. I dont want to lose the point to semantics, but i'll try.

    Someone who leads a good life.

    Suppose someone who has sinned in the past (minor sins added in to prevent me creating a unbiblical saint), but for the most has done nohing to hurt anyone.


    Good - Worthy of respect; honorable
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    21 Jun '06 12:24
    Originally posted by huckleberryhound
    hmm . . .tricky. I dont want to lose the point to semantics, but i'll try.

    Someone who leads a good life.

    Suppose someone who has sinned in the past (minor sins added in to prevent me creating a unbiblical saint), but for the most has done nohing to hurt anyone.


    Good - Worthy of respect; honorable
    Define "minor sins".
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    21 Jun '06 12:27
    Originally posted by whodey
    Define "minor sins".
    No. Lets play the ball a bit, you'll be askin me to define "man" next.

    Its a theoretical question meant to provoke debate, not a lets ask Huck 20 questions thing.
  6. Standard memberHalitose
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    21 Jun '06 12:36
    Originally posted by huckleberryhound
    hmm . . .tricky. I dont want to lose the point to semantics, but i'll try.

    Someone who leads a good life.

    Suppose someone who has sinned in the past (minor sins added in to prevent me creating a unbiblical saint), but for the most has done nohing to hurt anyone.


    Good - Worthy of respect; honorable
    Not to split too many hairs on this one, but your definitions seem a little self-contained:

    Good: lead a good life; not hurt anyone.


    Worthy of respect -- by whom; honorable -- to whom. To God?

    If you mean "good" in the Christian sense of "virtuous", I'd be inclined to answer in the affirmative.
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    21 Jun '06 12:39
    Originally posted by Halitose
    If you mean "good" in the Christian sense of "virtuous", I'd be inclined to answer in the affirmative.
    How about "morally excellent"?
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    21 Jun '06 12:40
    Originally posted by Halitose
    Not to split too many hairs on this one, but your definitions seem a little self-contained:

    Good: lead a good life; not hurt anyone.


    Worthy of respect -- by whom; honorable -- to whom. To God?

    If you mean "good" in the Christian sense of "virtuous", I'd be inclined to answer in the affirmative.
    that was kinda like the ol blood and stone thing.
    Why did you think i was trying to trip you up?

    I'll leave the heavy debating to them that enjoy the arguments.
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    21 Jun '06 12:421 edit
    Originally posted by huckleberryhound
    No. Lets play the ball a bit, you'll be askin me to define "man" next.

    Its a theoretical question meant to provoke debate, not a lets ask Huck 20 questions thing.
    The question is important. Wilfully and knowingly rejecting God is a major sin ('mortal sin'πŸ˜‰ in itself.

    That said, it all depends on what state he dies in. If he's committed a mortal sin in rejecting God, and dies unrepentant of that - then he does not go to heaven. If he repents and makes a perfect act of contrition - then he does.

    It all depends.

    EDIT: If he didn't commit a mortal sin in rejecting God (e.g. he was raised atheist and with strong prejudices against religion) and has not committed any other mortal sin - then it still depends. Was he baptised?
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    21 Jun '06 12:42
    Originally posted by Bosse de Nage
    How about "morally excellent"?
    Depends which moral system we're about, but yes, that's the general idea. πŸ˜‰
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    21 Jun '06 12:451 edit
    Originally posted by huckleberryhound
    that was kinda like the ol blood and stone thing.
    Why did you think i was trying to trip you up?

    I'll leave the heavy debating to them that enjoy the arguments.
    My apologies. It just wasn't really a yes/no question in my opinion. It depends... I prefer to leave the final answer to God -- there is the sure way, then there is the other way. πŸ™‚
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    21 Jun '06 12:47
    Originally posted by whodey
    Define "minor sins".
    Let's just say it's something that's not a direct or obvious violation of the Ten Commandments.
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    21 Jun '06 12:471 edit
    Originally posted by lucifershammer
    The question is important. Wilfully and knowingly rejecting God is a major sin ('mortal sin'πŸ˜‰ in itself.

    That said, it all depends on what state he dies in. If he's committed a mortal sin in rejecting God, and dies unrepentant of that - then he does not go to heaven. If he repents and makes a perfect act of contrition - then he does.

    It all depends.
    You see, now you've got me going back to my keyboard.

    So, if a mans only sin is not to believe in god, your God would have him in Eternal Damnation?

    But if Ian Huntley truely repented, he would go to heaven. . . I think i prefer Halitose's God to yours, yours kinda sucks (please dont ask me to define sucks).

    πŸ™‚
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    21 Jun '06 12:48
    Originally posted by Halitose
    My apologies. It just wasn't really a yes/no question in my opinion. It all depends...
    Question for you - suppose he was once a born-again Christian who later abandoned faith, even though he was in all other respects a good man. What then?
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    21 Jun '06 12:48
    Originally posted by whodey
    Define "minor sins".
    Picking your nose in public.
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