Originally posted by lucifershammer Question for you - suppose he was once a born-again Christian who later abandoned faith, even though he was in all other respects a good man. What then?
Originally posted by huckleberryhound You see, now you've got me going back to my keyboard.
So, if a mans only sin is not to believe in god, your God would have him in Eternal Damnation?
But if Ian Huntley truely repented, he would go to heaven. . . I think i prefer Halitose's God to yours, yours kinda sucks (please dont ask me to define sucks).
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Read the EDIT I posted. I clarify there that rejecting God need not always be a mortal sin.
But, if it is a mortal sin, then the person has full knowledge of the gravity and nature of his action as well as full consent for it. This means he has completely cut off his relationship with God and bears full responsibility for it. Why should he be admitted into heaven then? He chose to stay out.
If you want a Santa Claus God, then good luck elsewhere. You won't find it in orthodox Christianity.
Originally posted by huckleberryhound The greatest sin is to judge others before God has had the chance, thats playing God.
(sorry if i posted this elswhere)
Saying that a person is putting his soul at risk is neither playing God nor passing judgment - it's a statement of familial concern. Not to warn a person that he is doing that is an abdication of the responsibility God places on us.
EDIT: "You're going to Hell" is a judgment. "You're risking going to Hell if you do/continue doing that" is a fraternal warning.
And, no - the greatest sin is not judging others. It's wilfully and knowingly rejecting God's love and grace.
Originally posted by lucifershammer Saying that a person is putting his soul at risk is neither playing God nor passing judgment - it's a statement of familial concern. Not to warn a person that he is doing that is an abdication of the responsibility God places on us.
And, no - the greatest sin is not judging others. It's wilfully and knowingly rejecting God's love and grace.
i dont honestly believe that someone who thinks such a thing is not being judgemental, but thats neither here nor there.
I would reject a God that demands recognition.
But i think at the end of the day, we will find out either way. . .Thats a Fact.
Originally posted by huckleberryhound I would reject a God that demands recognition.
You cannot wilfully and knowingly reject God and expect to be in heaven at the same time because that's what heaven is - intimate everlasting communion with God.
If I divorce my wife because I don't want to have anything to do with her, I have no right to expect a place in her house. What's more, why would I even want to be in her house if I was the one looking for divorce in the first place?
Originally posted by huckleberryhound i dont honestly believe that someone who thinks such a thing is not being judgemental, but thats neither here nor there.
Would you encourage a (hypothetical) friend to face up to their drug addiction?
Originally posted by huckleberryhound i dont honestly believe that someone who thinks such a thing is not being judgemental, but thats neither here nor there.
If you had a son, and you warned him that the company he keeps is likely to get him in trouble, are you being judgmental?
EDIT: Looks like Hal and I had similar thoughts! The drug addiction analogy was my other choice.
Originally posted by huckleberryhound No. Lets play the ball a bit, you'll be askin me to define "man" next.
Its a theoretical question meant to provoke debate, not a lets ask Huck 20 questions thing.
My point is that according to the Bible there are no minor sins. If you sin you become a sinner. It is much akin to being put on trial for murder and gettin up to defend yourself and saying what a good person you have been ect. The judge will look at you and say thats nice, but thats not why your here.
Originally posted by huckleberryhound Does a good man go to heaven if he doesnt believe in God ?
sorry thiests, ah aint pickin on you's 🙂
Everybody will have an opinion, but the only one that I would rely on is the one the Bible gives:
John 3:17-18
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Acts 4:12
12 Neither is there salvation in any other (name i.e. Jesus): for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
Originally posted by lucifershammer If I divorce my wife because I don't want to have anything to do with her, I have no right to expect a place in her house. What's more, why would I even want to be in her house if I was the one looking for divorce in the first place?
What if she turned up at your doorstep begging to be let in, saying that she would suffer some unspeakably terrible fate if you said no?
Originally posted by whodey My point is that according to the Bible there are no minor sins. If you sin you become a sinner. It is much akin to being put on trial for murder and gettin up to defend yourself and saying what a good person you have been ect. The judge will look at you and say thats nice, but thats not why your here.
It's clearly not like being on trial for murder (unless you have murdered someone). It's more like facing the death penalty for having failed to pay a couple of parking tickets.
Ok. This should be a quick one
21 Jun '06 12:50
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