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Originally posted by snowinscotlandWhat God?
so you'll not submit to the will of God then?
Originally posted by rwingettHe said it is never proven.
It cannot be 'proven' just to Muslims. If it isn't proven to everyone, then it isn't proven at all. The fact that the Quran is ONLY accepted by the Muslims as being the word of god means that it isn't proven. It is your contention that the Quran is the word of god, but the case obviously remains open. Every religion maintains their holy book is the word of ...[text shortened]... ossible that they're all wrong except one, but is far more likely that they're all wrong.
Originally posted by ahosyneyThen feel free to prove to us that the Koran is true. Lay your evidence out for us. You could have a lot of converts if you are successful!
He said it is never proven.
But It is proven to Muslims. If it is proven to you will be Muslim.
Of course non Muslims will not accept it because it is not proven to them. But that doesn't mean it is never proven.
So there is a prove but you don't know it. If you know it then tell me why you don't accept it. If you don't know the prove then don't c ...[text shortened]... . It only means that the other scintest don't know the prove, or don't accept the prove.
Originally posted by scottishinnzI will start by science because that what you belive in:
Then feel free to prove to us that the Koran is true. Lay your evidence out for us. You could have a lot of converts if you are successful!
Originally posted by ahosyneyYou do realize that Jews assert basically the same thing, right? I mean, the constancy of oral and
The Quran remain for 1400 years without a single modification.
Originally posted by NemesioI didn't mean that. All what I said it was a challange written inside the Quran that it will not change.
You do realize that Jews assert basically the same thing, right? I mean, the constancy of oral and
written tradition is a sacrosanct concept amongst Semitic peoples, and we do have a great
deal of evidence to suggest that the OT, particularly the Pentateuch has remained unchanged for a
good long time.
That having been said, simply because something remains unaltered doesn't give it Divine authority,
right?
Nemesio
Originally posted by ahosyneyI was intrigued by the passage about embryology so decided to find out more about Dr Keith Moore and his findings. It appears he made several misinterpretations of the Arabic language and that some of the 'amazing revelations' had already been made by the ancient Greeks many years earlier.
Also I will be happy if you read this article:
http://www.allaahuakbar.net/quran/amazing_quran.htm
Tell me what you think about that. If not satisfied, I will tell you more.
Originally posted by Ian68The word "Nutfa" doesn't mean Sperm. Sperm in Arabic mean "Mani". So "Nufa" will mean any thing except sperm.
I was intrigued by the passage about embryology so decided to find out more about Dr Keith Moore and his findings. It appears he made several misinterpretations of the Arabic language and that some of the 'amazing revelations' had already been made by the ancient Greeks many years earlier.
http://answering-islam.org.uk/Quran/Science/embryo.html
Originally posted by ahosyneyCritiquing the video as I go.
I will start by science because that what you belive in:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8552135092079886288&q=miracles%20of%20quran&hl=en
This video illustrate some scietific issuse covered by Quran as a prove and challange.
Also I will be happy if you read this article:
http://www.allaahuakbar.net/quran/amazing_quran.htm
Tell me wh ...[text shortened]... 1400 years without a single modification.
These three challanges unbroken yet. Try your luck.
Originally posted by scottishinnz1) The Christians believed the earth to be flat too, especially in the dark ages. However, the ancient Greeks knew it wasn't, 600 years before the Qu'ran was written. The Greeks knew the earth to be spherical, and had calculated its diameter.
Critiquing the video as I go.
1) The Christians believed the earth to be flat too, especially in the dark ages. However, the ancient Greeks knew it wasn't, 600 years before the Qu'ran was written. The Greeks knew the earth to be spherical, and had calculated its diameter.
2) Phrase "God is he that raised up the mountains without support". Thi e of my time listening to this drivel - my time is far more valuable than that.
Originally posted by ahosyney[When exactly? and who? (References Please)
[When exactly? and who? (References Please)
[b]2) Phrase "God is he that raised up the mountains without support". This does not invalidate the possibility that the mountains held the sky up. It merely suggests that the mountains have no support, or perhaps that God had no support.
I think you miss heard it: It say "He raised the Skys without s ...[text shortened]... far more valuable than that.[/b]
Sure don't waste your time. Good luck[/b]
Originally posted by scottishinnzIt shows that everything written in the Qu'ran had been figured out before. Whilst Muhammed may not have read the Greek work, it seems likely that he knew about it. Anyway, MAN had already figured it out once - he could do it again. The fact that man figured it out, even just once, proves Gods are not necessary to explain the origin of that knowledge.
[b][When exactly? and who? (References Please)
Pythagoras believed the earth to be a sphere 1200 years before the Qu'ran was written. Plato, 150 years later knew it to be spherical, even stating that if man could soar high above the clouds, Earth would resemble "a ball made of twelve pieces of leather, variegated, a patchwork of colours." Tect
It is in the video you linked to. Watch it again, if you don't believe me.[/b]