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Our words are all used because they carry meaning; if you can make them up as you
go, no one could understand you. Christ is required for Christianity to be true; the
Word of God declares that Christ in us is either true or not; if we don't have the
Spirit of God in us, we don't belong to God; that is how one is a Christian. Anything
else is just using the name of Jesus all because of something that only has to do
with us, not Him. If it is all just us, our works, our profession, our righteousness, our
duty, none of that matters if Jesus is not our Lord and Savior; I don't care what your
moral compass is telling you.

If you don't belong to God, if you are not abiding in Christ, you can call yourself a
Christian till the cows come home, but that will not make you right with God.

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You don't look at answers; you look for things to respond to.

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Can you be a Christian without Christ? My whole point and argument!

@kellyjay said
Can you be a Christian without Christ? My whole point and argument!

I don't think you can be a Christian without faith in Christ.

@fmf said
I don't think you can be a Christian without faith in Christ.

That is not what I said, and it is how you change my meaning consistently to suit
you, however. Without Christ, there are no real Christians that would turn it into an
acceptance of something untrue. Since Christ is a reality independent of our beliefs
about Him for good or not, denying Him as never having a real part in one's life
only shows He was never there to begin with, even with His acknowledgment at
one point in time is now denied later, the denial if true acknowledges Christ was
not ever there, because the denial says He is not here in our lives now, therefore
never was at any other point.

Faith in anything does not create the reality it accepts except in our minds, but if
something is true or not doesn't change if we believe it or not. I believe you when
you say you once accepted Him, but all that was and all you have now are beliefs
about Him, never the reality of Him.

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I'm more aware of my points than you between the two of us. I acknowledge he
says he once believed; no one I know has ever denied that! But you cannot say
Christ is not real and cannot be a reality in our lives because everything about Jesus is
only a belief in our heads about Him, and say, I once walked with Jesus too. I once
walked with Jesus, which is now denied, showed it was never real with the
confession being made today, and saying it is all just belief; not reality, says the
same thing. The earlier belief that is now denied could have never been real; only
fiction acknowledged nothing more.

@kellyjay said
That is not what I said, and it is how you change my meaning consistently to suit
you, however.

I didn't change your meaning. I looked at what you posted, didn't edit it, quoted it verbatim, and then posted something that conveyed my meaning. It's called disagreeing.

@kellyjay said
Without Christ, there are no real Christians that would turn it into an
acceptance of something untrue.

One cannot be a Christian without faith in Christ. That's why, while I used to be a Christian, like you still are, I am not a Christian anymore.

@kellyjay said
Since Christ is a reality independent of our beliefs
about Him for good or not, denying Him as never having a real part in one's life
only shows He was never there to begin with.

If Christ is "a reality independent of our beliefs", as you claim, then surely you think he was a reality when I believed in him, and, therefore, according to your beliefs, my faith was real, and that isn’t affected by what I believe now because, as you yourself claim, "Christ is a reality independent of [my] beliefs"