@fmf saidI am reading your posts you have been saying that you use to believe now you don’t. Did I get that wrong?
Me having faith was instrumental in countless actual events. I have never denied that faith "happened" to me. Are you not reading my post?
@kellyjay saidYou seem to be claiming that I never had faith and you are trying as many rhetorical and psychological gimmicks in this discourse as you can to press home your point. I think I know what the ideological reasons are for your intellectual behaviour in this matter. I have stated what I think they are.
I am reading your posts you have been saying that you use to believe now you don’t. Did I get that wrong?
@fmf saidTime and time and time again, you ostensibly reply to my posts... but not in earnest... you don't engage what I am actually saying.
Me having faith was instrumental in countless actual events. I have never denied that faith "happened" to me.
The same can't be said for my efforts to engage what you are saying.
I understand your faith. I have also experienced faith. I have also been affected by it. I have also been changed by it. I have also been inspired by it.
I understand you when you say your real life has been affected by it. I understand you when you say you have been changed by it. I understand you when you say something "outside" you has come "into" to you and is "inside you". I understand you when you claim that this is a supernatural transformation.
I understand you when you describe your faith. I acknowledge it. I respect it. I accept that it exists.
Meanwhile, your only agenda seems to be, for all intents and purposes, to ignore almost everything I say about faith and about my own faith, and settle for the rather fatuous insistence that I don't know what it is and never experienced it.
@fmf saidPlease read my words carefully; you have been saying you used to believe; now you
You seem to be claiming that I never had faith and you are trying as many rhetorical and psychological gimmicks in this discourse as you can to press home your point. I think I know what the ideological reasons are for your intellectual behaviour in this matter. I have stated what I think they are.
do not. If faith to you is changing your mind about something that you thought true,
that is what it is to you, is that right in your own eyes?
There are no gimmicks here; I'm trying to pin you down on your exact meaning!
What I'm saying is I agree with you on what you have been saying about yourself.
Can we agree on those points?
@fmf saidI have been accepting everything you have said about yourself, where we part
Time and time and time again, you ostensibly reply to my posts... but not in earnest... you don't engage what I am actually saying.
The same can't be said for my efforts to engage what you are saying.
I understand your faith. I have also experienced faith. I have also been affected by it. I have also been changed by it. I have also been inspired by it.
I understand yo ...[text shortened]... and settle for the rather fatuous insistence that I don't know what it is and never experienced it.
company on what you are saying about yourself; that is not what scripture and my
experience claim Christianity is. Your acceptance of your mental fatalities does not
a Christian make. So everything you have said, you once believed, now you do not
I believe, but that doesn't matter.
@kellyjay said[1] I don't know what "fatalities" are. Is the term connected to your claims about immortality?
Your acceptance of your mental fatalities does nota Christian make.
[2] I do not claim to be a Christian. KellyJay, you have been talking to me for over a decade. I do not claim to be a Christian. I do not claim to be a Christian. Again. I do not claim to be a Christian.
@kellyjay saidI know about scripture and I know about your faith. I know what you claim about yourself as a result of your faith.
I have been accepting everything you have said about yourself, where we part
company on what you are saying about yourself; that is not what scripture and my
experience claim Christianity is.
@fmf saidFactualities should have been used, not fatalities, my bad.
[1] I don't know what "fatalities" are. Is the term connected to your claims about immortality?
[2] I do not claim to be a Christian. KellyJay, you have been talking to me for over a decade. I do not claim to be a Christian. I do not claim to be a Christian. Again. I do not claim to be a Christian.
I agree with you that what you once claimed you no longer do.
What changed for you was you changed your mind about what was true and not.
That was what happened to you.
Am I getting anything wrong with this?