Paul Washer has a message for Christians

I was wondering what people thought of his message. I am really currious what Christians and non Christians thing, so please specify that if you wouldnt mind

Here are 3 links to youtube videos. He talks about how a Christian can know they are a Christian thus knkow they are saved.

4 minutes of your time
YouTube

10 minutes of your time (audio mix of the 60 min sermon)
YouTube

Bonus full 60 minute sermon
YouTube

Excellent...He is absolutely correct. If I may add....I know I am a Christian because I can speak in tongues, speak in tongues with interpretation, and prophecy. These are what I call the worship manefestations. I have also experienced word of knowledge and word of wisdom. Every believer has the potential to operate all 9 manefestations. The first three as I mentioned above are at the believers discretion. Having said that, they are to be done only with a group of likeminded believers with the end to edify, exhort and comfort. The other 6 are operated at God's discretion. Some believe these are individual gifts. But that is erroneous teaching. The gift is the gift of holy spirit.
Like a swiss army knife which has several functions, so is the gift of holy spirit. It has 9 functions or manefestations to help the individual believer.

Originally posted by checkbaiter
Excellent...He is absolutely correct. If I may add....I know I am a Christian because I can speak in tongues, speak in tongues with interpretation, and prophecy. These are what I call the worship manefestations. I have also experienced word of knowledge and word of wisdom. Every believer has the potential to operate all 9 manefestations. The first three ...[text shortened]... the gift of holy spirit. It has 9 functions or manefestations to help the individual believer.

The verb is prophesy (pronounced prof-uh-sai). The thing which you
testify is a prophecy (pronounced prof-uh-see).

What sort of prophesying have you done? Weird vague ones like in
Daniel (a tower of iron will crumble when the Sun cries at the sound of
the moon's sleeping) or like real concrete ones?

There was some discussion some months back between two individuals,
though I cannot remember who, one who was asserting that the time
for these manifestations has past.

Nemesio

Originally posted by Nemesio
The verb is prophesy (pronounced prof-uh-sai). The thing which you
testify is a prophecy (pronounced prof-uh-see).

What sort of prophesying have you done? Weird vague ones like in
Daniel (a tower of iron will crumble when the Sun cries at the sound of
the moon's sleeping) or like real concrete ones?

There was some discussion some months back bet ...[text shortened]... emember who, one who was asserting that the time
for these manifestations has past.

Nemesio

Prophesy is is foretelling or forthtelling. I do the latter.
Sorry about the spelling.....

Originally posted by ryunix
I was wondering what people thought of his message. I am really currious what Christians and non Christians thing, so please specify that if you wouldnt mind

Here are 3 links to youtube videos. He talks about how a Christian can know they are a Christian thus knkow they are saved.

4 minutes of your time
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OY6F0pkArds

1 ...[text shortened]... watch?v=d3XA2k8S8Tk

Bonus full 60 minute sermon
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuabITeO4l8

After thinking about this I realize I responded too quickly. I tend to disagree with him. I'll explain why in a bit...

The (modern, at least) Christian understanding of prophecy, and the Jewish understanding of prophecy seem to be entirely distinct. The Jewish prophets were those who spoke the truth of YHVH to their contemporaries, concerning the present situation. Any “foretelling” or future-telling was, at most, secondary (and not always accurate).

Without going to looks it up—and therefore subject to my memory—there was, I believe, a king whose death Jeremiah prophesied, who did not die in that way... (I’ll let somebody else look it up.)

EDIT: In the argument between those who speak in tongues, and those who reject that, I have generally come down on the side of the former--for various reasons.

Originally posted by checkbaiter
Prophesy is is foretelling or forthtelling. I do the latter.
Sorry about the spelling.....

What's 'forthtelling?'

Nemesio

The manefestation of prophesy that is mentioned in 1Corith. 14 is the forthtelling. It is not like the prophesy of the old Testament. It is not "revelation" it is "inspiration". It is always edification, exhortation, and/or comfort. In a believers meeting, it is done by those who have been in prayer throughout the week, studying, etc. In other words, those who choose to manefest are excited, at peace with God, walking the walk, etc. There are times when I don't choose to manefest, and I let others do it. We are instructed to have 2-3 or even 4 believers manefest if they so choose. Sometimes no one does, so we just have prayer before the teaching. The words that come out are always praising God or exhorting or comforting the body of believers present.
I have been to churches where people are speaking in tongues with no interpretation. This is abusing the gift of holy spirit because no one is edified. Like any thing in the church, it is to be done decently and in order....

Originally posted by checkbaiter
The manefestation of prophesy that is mentioned in 1Corith. 14 is the forthtelling. It is not like the prophesy of the old Testament. It is not "revelation" it is "inspiration". It is always edification, exhortation, and/or comfort. In a believers meeting, it is done by those who have been in prayer throughout the week, studying, etc. In other words, tho ...[text shortened]... no one is edified. Like any thing in the church, it is to be done decently and in order....

I'm still not following. Can you give an example of how 'forthtelling'
might look to an observer?

Nemesio

Originally posted by vistesd
The (modern, at least) Christian understanding of prophecy, and the Jewish understanding of prophecy seem to be entirely distinct. The Jewish prophets were those who spoke the truth of YHVH to their contemporaries, concerning the present situation. Any “foretelling” or future-telling was, at most, secondary (and not always accurate).

Without goi ...[text shortened]... hose who reject that, I have generally come down on the side of the former--for various reasons.

If you have time, could you expound upon the Jewish understanding of
prophecy?

Nemesio

Originally posted by checkbaiter
The manefestation of prophesy that is mentioned in 1Corith. 14 is the forthtelling. It is not like the prophesy of the old Testament. It is not "revelation" it is "inspiration". It is always edification, exhortation, and/or comfort. In a believers meeting, it is done by those who have been in prayer throughout the week, studying, etc. In other words, tho ...[text shortened]... no one is edified. Like any thing in the church, it is to be done decently and in order....

That’s a fair explanation.

Why do you think—if you think—that this does not happen outside Christianity? You know that one of my favorite NT verses is:

The spirit where it wishes blows.
The sound of it you hear, but do not know
whence it comes nor where it goes.
For those born of the spirit, it is so.

I do not hold to it just because it is written in the Bible, but because it speaks the truth.

Originally posted by Nemesio
I'm still not following. Can you give an example of how 'forthtelling'
might look to an observer?

Nemesio

An example might look like this....
"Know for a truth and a certainty that the Lord your God has loved you from the foundations of the world. He has called you to a mighty calling. Be bold and shine as lights in this world, Fear not, for He walks with you all the days of your lives."

I have heard very similiar prophetic messages.

Originally posted by checkbaiter
An example might look like this....
"Know for a truth and a certainty that the Lord your God has loved you from the foundations of the world. He has called you to a mighty calling. Be bold and shine as lights in this world, Fear not, for He walks with you all the days of your lives."

I have heard very similiar prophetic messages.

So, it's the proclaiming or the channeling of Divine Truths through the
vessel of the individual, then?

Nemesio

Originally posted by vistesd
That’s a fair explanation.

Why do you think—if you think—that this does not happen outside Christianity? You know that one of my favorite NT verses is:

The spirit where it wishes blows.
The sound of it you hear, but do not know
whence it comes nor where it goes.
For those born of the spirit, it is so.

I do not hold to it just because it is written in the Bible, but because it speaks the truth.

Because it is a manefestaion of the gift of holy spirit. I do know that even Balaam could not curse God's people....so I don't claim to be an expert in this field....

Originally posted by Nemesio
So, it's the proclaiming or the channeling of Divine Truths through the
vessel of the individual, then?

Nemesio

I suppose...you could put it that way...but it is still "inspiration" not direct revelation.