Originally posted by FMFIf you are interested in my views, I suggest you read them as I have
I am interested in your views. To that end: do you share Grampy Bobby's views on this issue?
shared them with you on what is important. Bobby's views are his own and
he can defend them as he wills, I don't care to one way or another. I have
shared with you what is the most important thing with respect to our
salvation and it wasn't dependent on me being right about any belief system
I hold to be true, but the person of Jesus Christ. If I'm going to share with
you about salvation then my message to you is Jesus Christ is the only one
that matters! We are saved through Him, not checking off of some list all
the things we get right instead of wrong.
Kelly
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Originally posted by KellyJayOK then, forget about Grampy Bobby. Here's a question for you and you alone: do you think that I ~ an ex-Christian and an "unbeliever" [in Christian terms] ~ am now a permanent member of Christ's Royal Family and that I cannot lose my salvation on account of the fact that I used to believe in Christ at one point in my life?
If you are interested in my views, I suggest you read them as I have
shared them with you on what is important. Bobby's views are his own and
he can defend them as he wills, I don't care to one way or another. I have
shared with you what is the most important thing with respect to our
salvation and it wasn't dependent on me being right about any belief ...[text shortened]... through Him, not checking off of some list all
the things we get right instead of wrong.
Kelly
Originally posted by FMFYou cannot lose what you never had.
OK then, forget about Grampy Bobby. Here's a question for you and you alone: do you think that I ~ an ex-Christian and an "unbeliever" [in Christian terms] ~ am now a permanent member of Christ's Royal Family and that I cannot lose my salvation on account of the fact that I used to believe in Christ at one point in my life?
Kelly
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Originally posted by KellyJayWell I was a Christian. That much is clear. I take you at your word when you say that you are a Christian too, so I assume you are reciprocating this respect I am affording you. However, having said that, I am not a Christian any more. Do you belief that the fact I once believed in Jesus Christ means that my salvation is now guaranteed and that I am a permanent member of Christ's Royal Family despite my loss of faith?
You cannot lose what you never had.
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Originally posted by FMFI'm sure you made the claim, you may have had good fellowship too.
Well I was a Christian. That much is clear. I take you at your word that you are a Christian too, so I assume you are reciprocating that respect. However, having said that, I am not a Christian any more. Do you belief that the fact I once believed in Jesus Christ means that my salvation is now guaranteed and that I am a permanent member of Christ's Royal Family despite my loss of faith?
You may have believed in Jesus Christ, but did you have a relationship with
Him? Did you walk in the Spirit of God? If you are going to tell me yes I
had a relationship with God through Jesus Christ, than how can you now
say your an unbeliever?
If you are an unbeliever NOW, than you have to deny what your claims
about Christ Jesus were never real. You cannot have it both ways.
Kelly
Originally posted by KellyJayYes to all these things.
I'm sure you made the claim, you may have had good fellowship too.
You may have believed in Jesus Christ, but did you have a relationship with
Him? Did you walk in the Spirit of God?
If you are going to tell me yes I had a relationship with God through Jesus Christ, than how can you now say your an unbeliever?
Because I stopped believing.
If you are an unbeliever NOW, than you have to deny what your claims
about Christ Jesus were, were never real. You cannot have it both ways.
My beliefs were real to me when I held them. I no longer have those beliefs now, so what is real to me has changed. If by "both ways" you mean "believing" at one time, and "not believing" at a later time, then I certainly went through both those states.
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Originally posted by FMFNo, you don't get it! You are not that important, that if you believe in
Yes to all these things.
[b]If you are going to tell me yes I had a relationship with God through Jesus Christ, than how can you now say your an unbeliever?
Because I stopped believing.
If you are an unbeliever NOW, than you have to deny what your claims
about Christ Jesus were, were never real. You cannot have it both ways.
My beliefs w ...[text shortened]... one time, and "not believing" at a later time, then I certainly went through both those states.[/b]
something it is real so its real, but if you stop it is not. It is either real and
always was, or it never was real.
If you want to tell me that you were faking it, than got to the point that you
had to reject faking it, than I'm telling you, YOU NEVER had a real
relationship with God through Jesus Christ. What you were always doing
was faking it!
You can believe in God and not know God, you can believe in God and still
miss out on God. As you know the devil believes in God, it will do him no
good at all.
The state of your mind is just the state of your mind, it does not alter if
God is real or not, only how you view him. Believing in God is not the same
thing as actually making God your Lord and accepting Jesus into your life.
Kelly
Originally posted by KellyJayNo, you don't get it! You are not that important, that if you believe in
something it is real so its real, but if you stop it is not. It is either real and
always was, or it never was real.
If you want to tell me that you were faking it, than got to the point that you
had to reject faking it, than I'm telling you, YOU NEVER had a real
relationship with God through Jesus Christ. What you were always doing
was faking it!
You can believe in God and not know God, you can believe in God and still
miss out on God. As you know the devil believes in God, it will do him no
good at all.
The state of your mind is just the state of your mind, it does not alter if
God is real or not, only how you view him. Believing in God is not the same
thing as actually making God your Lord and accepting Jesus into your life.
Kelly
No I wasn't faking it. I was a Christian.
Originally posted by Rajk999You and I went over this before if I'm not mistaken. It is very simple in
Well here we go. KJ is going to redefine the word 'Christian'. Maybe you can lay your definition on the table and see if all other Christians around the forums agree with it.
my opinion someone who asks God into their lives through Jesus Christ,
and God gives them His Spirit and they follow God.
Kelly
Originally posted by FMFJesus Christ was in your life, the Holy Spirit was in your life leading you
[b]No, you don't get it! You are not that important, that if you believe in
something it is real so its real, but if you stop it is not. It is either real and
always was, or it never was real.
If you want to tell me that you were faking it, than got to the point that you
had to reject faking it, than I'm telling you, YOU NEVER had a real
relationship with ...[text shortened]... Lord and accepting Jesus into your life.
Kelly
No I wasn't faking it. I was a Christian.[/b]
and guiding you? Or were you just making the claim?
Kelly
