Originally posted by FreakyKBH According to Christian doctrine (not theology, which is the study of God), salvation is a matter of two "actions," although each of these can be drilled down into finer more technical details.
Salvation itself is a redemption from one state into another state; from a slave market into freedom and all that each entail.
In order for said redemption to be ...[text shortened]... ft giver.
If my salvation is dependent upon my work, I can share in the glory of my redemption.
Originally posted by divegeester This is an excellent question, my view is this:
If you are born into a family you cannot be born out of it. If you are not born into it then you are not part of it. What happens in your life is irrelevant to whom your parents are, they will always be your parents.
Your question demoninates to one of works -I.e. I gave up my belief therefore I am n ...[text shortened]... when you think you are out, you are in".
What you think is irrelevant, seek your birthright.
The same way the Bible does not mention 'Trinity' and you correctly reject using that expression, then in like manner your analysis about being born into a family is not applicable.
The idea of Trinity omits much of what is said of God and Christ. You are making the same mistake. You omit much of what is said about being born again or obtaining salvation
Originally posted by KellyJay So you are lying now! You had Jesus Christ in your life, and the Holy Spirit
of God too...so you know God is real and you reject God anyway?
Kelly
What is strange about that? Is that not in the Bible as well?
Originally posted by Rajk999 The same way the Bible does not mention 'Trinity' and you correctly reject using that expression, then in like manner your analysis about being born into a family is not applicable.
The idea of Trinity omits much of what is said of God and Christ. You are making the same mistake. You omit much of what is said about being born again or obtaining salvation
Please see the relevant salvation comments by FreakyKBH on Page two.
Originally posted by KellyJay You and I went over this before if I'm not mistaken. It is very simple in
my opinion someone who asks God into their lives through Jesus Christ,
and God gives them His Spirit and they follow God.
Kelly
We did but you failed to include all that the bible says about the issue.
Originally posted by KellyJay So you are lying now! You had Jesus Christ in your life, and the Holy Spirit
of God too...so you know God is real and you reject God anyway?
No I am not lying. In the past I believed I had Jesus Christ in my life and the Holy Spirit of God too, and I wasn't lying at that time. Then I lost my belief and now I don't believe the claims made about Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit any more. And I am not lying when I say this.
Originally posted by FMF Are the assertions Grampy Bobby made to me ~ the ones quoted in the OP, plus his additional assertions on page 1 ~ correct or incorrect? Am I "a permanent member of Christ's Royal Family" on the strength of the fact I "believed in Christ in a moment of time" and "[Having] believed in Christ, [I] cannot lose [my] salvation" ~ is this correct according to your Christian beliefs?
So you believe that there are "permanent members of Christ's Royal Family" who are ~ and who will be ~ being tortured in agony by burning flames for eternity on account of them being "unbelievers"?
Originally posted by FMF So you believe that there are "permanent members of Christ's Royal Family" who are ~ and who will be ~ being tortured in agony by burning flames for eternity on account of them being "unbelievers"?
No.
You misread the quote.
He was saying a soul lasts forever.
Redeemed souls live forever in the presence of God.
Those who rejected the gift--- in essence--- die forever separated from His presence.
The former overflow in happiness.
The latter have an experience akin to torture.
Originally posted by FreakyKBH The latter have an experience akin to torture.
And these latter ones ~ burning in agonizing torture for eternity and "forever separated from His presence" ~ are still "permanent members of Christ's Royal Family"?
Permanent Members of Christ's Royal Family
23 May '14 22:21
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