Originally posted by josephwI cannot "choose" to believe this thing that you have absolutely no evidence of, regardless of how "beyond a shadow of a doubt" you claim to be. Neither your obvious dislike/fear of "the idea of ceasing to exist" nor your sincerity are evidence of anything except your own personal beliefs.
Go for it. Count yourself among the billions that cease to exist when they die. It's your choice.
Originally posted by leunammiYou will need to come up with the smoking gun bible quote if you want such a foot-shooting to actually occur. There are two interesting things going on here: [1] Rajk999's intriguing assertion; and [2] your inability (thus far) to rebut Rajk999's intriguing assertion.
You may have shot yourself in the foot kimosabe.
[You using the words "frivolous debate" doesn't count as a rebuttal, and the more times you procrastinate, the more those words will apply to you. ] 😉
Originally posted by josephwTo be honest, josephw, I expected that someone of your intelligence would have been able to discern the substance in my response, despite it's somewhat flippant phrasing. I apologise for having overestimated your mental abilities; in future I shall endeavour to construct any posts directed at you in a simpler manner, and devoid of humour.
Are you scared of making a substantive comment? Or just incapable.
"Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.
For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him." -- 2 Corinthians 5:20-21, KJV
"For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps:
Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth:
Who, when he was reviled, reviled not again; when he suffered, he threatened not; but committed himself to him that judgeth righteously:
Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed." -- 1 Peter 2:21-24, KJV
"Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him." -- 1 John 3:4-6, KJV
Even Pilate saw no cause to hold him:
"Pilate therefore, willing to release Jesus, spake again to them.
But they cried, saying, Crucify him, crucify him.
And he said unto them the third time, Why, what evil hath he done? I have found no cause of death in him: I will therefore chastise him, and let him go.
And they were instant with loud voices, requiring that he might be crucified. And the voices of them and of the chief priests prevailed." -- Luke 23:21-23, KJV
And finally:
"Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession.
For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need." -- Hebrews 4:14-16, KJV
Originally posted by SuzianneInteresting quotes, although your post would have been better if you'd omitted the Luke one about what Pilate thought because that one seems like a bit of a reach. If you had an editor, they would have crossed that one out for you. We know the Apostles were in awe of their rabbi. So do you have any quote where Jesus himself claims to be "sinless"?
"Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.
For he hath made him to be sin for us, [b]who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him." -- 2 Corinthians 5:20-21, KJV
"For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered fo ...[text shortened]... race, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need." -- Hebrews 4:14-16, KJV[/b]
Originally posted by FMF"And when finally faced with the 'smoking gun', FMF merely moves the goalposts." -- Suzi
Interesting quotes, although your post would have been better if you'd omitted the Luke one about what Pilate thought because that one seems like a bit of a reach. If you had an editor, they would have crossed that one out for you. We know the Apostles were in awe of their rabbi. So do you have any quote where Jesus himself claims to be "sinless"?