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Originally posted by Great King RatNo i feel clean and holy.
You're cheating on The Bible, dude. Don't you feel dirrrrrty?
Anyway, what about this, what have you to say for yourself? why should i suck these values up into my mind and how will they benefit me?
The values expressed in pornography clash so obviously with the family concept, and they potentially undermine the traditional values that favor marriage, family, and children ... Pornographic scripts dwell on sexual engagements of parties who have just met, who are in no way attached or committed to each other, and who will part shortly, never to meet again ... Sexual gratification in pornography is not a function of emotional attachment, of kindness, of caring, and especially not of continuance of the relationship, as such continuance would translate into responsibilities, curtailments, and costs ...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effects_of_pornography
Originally posted by robbie carrobieI think the personal approach would work better than trying to use statistics.
what measures i would take are not relevant to someone who does not share my religious beliefs, other persons who are not religious have also testified that by 'giving up', indulging in pornography it has improved their lives.
http://www.macleans.ca/society/life/can-swearing-off-porn-improve-your-life/
It might work better to say, "If you think you might be spending too much on porn, if you think you might be neglecting other things in your life, if you are hiding things from your spouse, (and so on...) then "I'd like to suggest that there is help available (and so on...)."
It should be part of sex education, especially (in my view) the influence of porn on our expectations of ourselves and others.
But the science isn't really there to justify calling it a full bore addiction, and calling it that may be detrimental instead of helpful.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieActually, there is a more recent trend in pornography which shows people in long-term committed relationships.
No i feel clean and holy.
Anyway, what about this, what have you to say for yourself? why should i suck these values up into my mind and how will they benefit me?
The values expressed in pornography clash so obviously with the family concept, and they potentially undermine the traditional values that favor marriage, family, and children ... Po ...[text shortened]... sibilities, curtailments, and costs ...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effects_of_pornography
Admittedly this is a small proportion of the output, but it exists.
Can I take it then that this minority element of porn is OK?
Originally posted by JS357the problem is that not only is the science conflicting, its ancient, 1986? Messe report? the internet in 1986 was like dail-up modems running at 1.2kB/s it took three days for a graphic image to load. I could cite the epidemiological studies but they are also inconclusive and old (1970, 1989)
I think the personal approach would work better than trying to use statistics.
It might work better to say, "If you think you might be spending too much on porn, if you think you might be neglecting other things in your life, if you are hiding things from your spouse, (and so on...) then "I'd like to suggest that there is help available (and so on...)."
...[text shortened]... ify calling it a full bore addiction, and calling it that may be detrimental instead of helpful.
What values does pornography portray and can you tell me why subscribing to such values would be healthy and or beneficial?
The values expressed in pornography clash so obviously with the family concept, and they potentially undermine the traditional values that favor marriage, family, and children ... Pornographic scripts dwell on sexual engagements of parties who have just met, who are in no way attached or committed to each other, and who will part shortly, never to meet again ... Sexual gratification in pornography is not a function of emotional attachment, of kindness, of caring, and especially not of continuance of the relationship, as such continuance would translate into responsibilities, curtailments, and costs ...[18]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effects_of_pornography
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Originally posted by Rank outsiderand why it should be ok, you have not said, because the people involved are in long term relationships? can you tell me how i can benefit from the values that they portray in these long term relationships? and would you care to comment on the actual content of the statement?
Actually, there is a more recent trend in pornography which shows people in long-term committed relationships.
Admittedly this is a small proportion of the output, but it exists.
Can I take it then that this minority element of porn is OK?
Originally posted by robbie carrobieLook up some porn, find out which you like best (you can test this by hanging a small bell around your wiener and counting how long it takes for various types of porn to make the bell go "ring". And if you're really secure about of yourself you also add some gayporn, to see if the bell does or doesn't ring eventually) and then get back to to tell me how it benefited you.
No i feel clean and holy.
Anyway, what about this, what have you to say for yourself? why should i suck these values up into my mind and how will they benefit me?
The values expressed in pornography clash so obviously with the family concept, and they potentially undermine the traditional values that favor marriage, family, and children ... Po ...[text shortened]... sibilities, curtailments, and costs ...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effects_of_pornography
Have fun.
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Originally posted by JS357It seems that science might not be that helpful at all, for example, because of ethics, its virtually impossible to conduct a study trying to find if there is a causal relationship between violent pornography and rape, its just impossible to go about it.
I think the personal approach would work better than trying to use statistics.
It might work better to say, "If you think you might be spending too much on porn, if you think you might be neglecting other things in your life, if you are hiding things from your spouse, (and so on...) then "I'd like to suggest that there is help available (and so on...)."
...[text shortened]... ify calling it a full bore addiction, and calling it that may be detrimental instead of helpful.
However, because of the ethical constraints against researchers' creating conditions that might increase serious aggression (e.g., exposing individuals to large doses of violent pornography and seeing if some commit rapes), experimentation to study direct effects can only be used to a very limited extent.
http://profiles.nlm.nih.gov/ps/access/NNBCKW.pdf
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Originally posted by Great King RatScience it seems is not very helpful. So you cannot bring yourself to comment on the values that pornography portrays, no wonder, hard to defend the indefensible, isn't it. It seems that the game is over, robbie and the bible 1 : king rat and the brat pack 0, good game.
Look up some porn, find out which you like best (you can test this by hanging a small bell around your wiener and counting how long it takes for various types of porn to make the bell go "ring". And if you're really secure about of yourself you also add some gayporn, to see if the bell does or doesn't ring eventually) and then get back to to tell me how it benefited you.
Have fun.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieYou've not used the bible once to make your point.
Science it seems is not very helpful. So you cannot bring yourself to comment on the values that pornography portrays, no wonder, hard to defend the indefensible, isn't it. It seems that the game is over, robbie and the bible 1 : king rat and the brat pack 0, good game.
It feels betrayed.
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieYou explained why you thought porn was harmful. I just explained those reasons weren't evident in all porn.
and why it should be ok, you have not said, because the people involved are in long term relationships? can you tell me how i can benefit from the values that they portray in these long term relationships? and would you care to comment on the actual content of the statement or simply dismiss it like you have done here with a diversionary statement.
As you do not deny that such minority porn exists, it follows that you have not explained why it is harmful. I do not have to show it is not harmful, as I didn't make the claim.
Originally posted by robbie carrobiead hominem
You think they are flawed? i have no way of knowing whether they are flawed or not, i emailed the people and asked them the source, they never got back to me. So tell us how do you know they are flawed? because quite frankly, i think you have no idea whether they are flawed or not and as usual you are content to pander your opinion as some type of fact. I'd fork out the ninety quid if i were a window licking fantasy merchant like you.
adj.
Appealing to personal considerations rather than to logic or reason:
Debaters should avoid ad hominem arguments that question their opponents' motives.
Originally posted by Rank outsiderfine, it may or may not be harmful, i cannot say until the values that it portrays are clearly expressed. You will now comment on the values that the vast majority of pornography expresses as is intimated in the quotation that i cited and tell us why its not harmful. If you please.
You explained why you thought porn was harmful. I just explained those reasons weren't evident in all porn.
As you do not deny that such minority porn exists, it follows that you have not explained why it is harmful. I do not have to show it is not harmful, as I didn't make the claim.