Practical politics and practical spirituality

@fmf said
OK, so it seems I have met some random fool on the internet who reckons "most [Christian] denominations teach and preach that all other Christian denominations are going to hell". You are asserting that, of the [say] 40,000 Christian denominations, at least 20,001 of them "teach and preach" the adherents of the other 39,999 Christian denominations are going to "Hell".

It will be interesting to see if you will now proceed to distance yourself from your own hyperbolic claim.

This is now a few pages ago, and I think my prediction has come true.

@fmf said
You are claiming that, when the USA was "still under British rule", the Christian churches taught that "the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus never actually happened"?

I already told you what I said in my previous posts. Reference them if you need to.

@fmf said
"They"?

If you think that there's any benefit to be gained from diluting the meaning of the word used to refer to people who "do believe that the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus actually happened", then say what it is.

Yes, "They" Seeing that some Christians of the 1700s are not alive any longer. "They" Past tense for your help.

@kingdavid403 said
I already told you what I said in my previous posts. Reference them if you need to.

By reiterating what you said, I was offerring you the chance to row it back.

@fmf said
It will be interesting to see if you will now proceed to distance yourself from your own hyperbolic claim.

This is now a few pages ago, and I think my prediction has come true.

Liar.

@kingdavid403 said
Yes, "They" Seeing that some Christians of the 1700s are not alive any longer. "They" Past tense for your help.

When you say "they" [...didn't believe the life and death of Jesus actually happened..] who exactly are the "they" you are referring to?

@fmf said
By reiterating what you said, I was offerring you the chance to row it back.

I'm not rolling anything back. Your attempts to change and twist what I said will not work with me fool. lol...

@kingdavid403 said
I'm not rolling anything back. Your attempts to change and twist what I said will not work with me fool. lol...

I am engaging what you are saying head on. I am not changing or twisting anything.

@fmf said
When you say "they" [...didn't believe the life and death of Jesus actually happened..] who exactly are the "they" you are referring to?

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-39153121
"Resurrection did not happen, say quarter of Christians"
These are the Christians whom you say are not legitimate Christians.
So much for your "binding" of us Christians together worldwide, etc.

@kingdavid403 said
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-39153121
"Resurrection did not happen, say quarter of Christians"
So much for your "bind" of us Christians together, etc.

Sure. "A quarter of people who describe themselves as Christians in Great Britain do not believe in the resurrection of Jesus." The operative words for me here are "who describe themselves as Christians".

The way I see it, they are probably best described as "sociological Christians". Or they are "followers of Jesus" because they like some of the teachings attributed to him.

If someone who "describes themselves as a Christian" admits that they "do not believe in the resurrection of Jesus", then they are basically admitting that aren't really Christian. At least to my way of thinking.

@fmf said
I am engaging what you are saying head on. I am not changing or twisting anything.

Yawn.

@kingdavid403 said
Yawn.

It was my reply to you saying "Your attempts to change and twist what I said will not work with me fool".

@fmf said
Sure. "A quarter of people who describe themselves as Christians in Great Britain do not believe in the resurrection of Jesus." The operative words for me here are "who describe themselves as Christians".

The way I see it, they are probably best described as "sociological Christians". Or they are "followers of Jesus" because they like some of the teachings attributed to him.
...[text shortened]... us", then they are basically admitting that aren't really Christian. At least to my way of thinking.

Correct, your way of thinking; which, I personally agree with by the way.
This was the way many Christians were in America in the 1700's and early 1800s. They had a pronounced Deist twist to their Christianity. Believe it or not.
Not all; but many. There still was conservative Christians around also; the minority at that time.

@kingdavid403 said
Correct, your way of thinking; which, I personally agree with by the way.

I don't think we do agree. Christianity is about certain core beliefs regarding Jesus Christ and not about what it says on an identity card or a baptism certificate or when you're filling in a census form. People who don't believe that the life and death of Jesus actually happened are not Christians.

@kingdavid403 said
This was the way many Christians were in America in the 1700's and early 1800s. They had a pronounced Deist twist to their Christianity.

There were intellectuals who were deists but people who didn't believe in Christ were not Christians. If you're claiming that a lot of people lost their Christian faith in the C18th or they didn't subscribe to Christian beliefs, then fine. But let's not dillute the term "Christian" by calling them Christians.