Originally posted by black beetleWell all righty 🙂
chappy1 pal, you think that the denial of birth control to Africa is wrong;
I think that the denial of birth control to Africa is actually a death sentence for the African children. I cannot claim that it is "wrong". I claim that it is a cold blooded mass infanticide, driven by religionists and executed by religionists in the name of the "Lord".
Originally posted by whodeyBut how can one escape poverty if he keeps up giving birth to children he is unable to feed and treat them properly at firstplace? Afterall the by far poorest people of all are considered the ones which they are unable to feed their children. Why we have to cause to them even more misery by denying them the BC products? What kind of "logic" is this?
No matter your opinion or my opinion, the fact of the matter is that those who practice birth control on average are those who are "well to do". Therefore, to change this situation it would behoove people to improve their standard of living than it would to drop condoms from a plane as they stand starving the cities and country side of Africa. What is neede ...[text shortened]... sting those in poverty to get out of poverty and not how many children they should be having.
At first you must enable the Africans, which they desire to have not children, to have access to the birth control products. At the same time you can promote a plan similar to the one you whodey propose -however your proposal, although accurate, it has to do with a long term strategy, which anyway under the best circumstance it will arise after a long period of time. But there are priorities. Why the West should stay totally inactive untill all the international agreements required for this plan are well conducted? This could take years, or not?
In the contrary, the plan regarding the BC products is quite lean and it could work straightforward producing fine results on the spot -but it failed the religionists opposed it.
So whodey what is your opinion?
Why during that long period these people over there they should remain dead in the water and keep up giving accidental births just because of the Pro-life citizens, which they definately have the back-up of the Vatican and of the Republican party?
Do you disagre that in this very case we have a party that supports the BC products plan, and a party that stands against it? Furthermore, in your opinion there is not difference between these two parties and of course between their voters? Aren't the parties the mirror of their voters, and the politicians of the parties the so called servants of the voters? Is it all just a "cheap political trick", or is it a grave social struggle for whatever each citizen is oblidged to stand for his best interest and benefit?
Originally posted by whodeyI really cannot see why you believe using a condom is equivalent to being pro-abortion or even equivalent to birth control. In Africa, the condom is primarily an AIDS prevention device.
No matter your opinion or my opinion, the fact of the matter is that those who practice birth control on average are those who are "well to do". Therefore, to change this situation it would behoove people to improve their standard of living than it would to drop condoms from a plane as they stand starving the cities and country side of Africa. What is neede ...[text shortened]... sting those in poverty to get out of poverty and not how many children they should be having.
I fully agree that reduction of poverty is an important goal and will result in a reduction of population growth. But that in no way excuses someone attempting to deny the rights of someone else to control how many children they have. It sounds to me like you are trying very hard to make excuses.
If we were discussing malaria prevention and medicine, then the answer would be the same, increase the wealth of the people and you reduce the impact of malaria, but is that a valid excuse for denying people medicine for malaria?
Originally posted by SakeNo!
Pro life and demand the right to wear (and use) arms, or support the war in Iraq and the list goes on and on. Is there any consistancy in this?
Furthermore, UNICEF reported that solely in 2007 died 9.200.000 (nine million two hundrend thousand) children in subSaharian Africa, which they were under 5 years old; the Pro-life citizens along with the Vatican and the Republican party should feel quite proud.
Originally posted by black beetleI'm pro life and I don't feel guilty about this in the slightest.
No!
Furthermore, UNICEF reported that solely in 2007 died 9.200.000 (nine million two hundrend thousand) children in subSaharian Africa, which they were under 5 years old; the Pro-life citizens along with the Vatican and the Republican party should feel quite proud.
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Originally posted by NemesioThe Bush administration this month is quietly cutting off birth control supplies to some of the world’s poorest women in Africa.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/09/opinion/09kristof.html?_r=1&em=&pagewanted=print&oref=slogin
The Bush administration this month is quietly cutting off birth control supplies to some of the world’s poorest women in Africa.
Thus the paradox of a “pro-life” administration adopting a policy whose result will be tens of thousands of additional abortion
How on earth does such an action meet with approval from Christians, I do not know.
Nemesio
What do you mean cutting off Africa's birth control supplies?? Do you mean America is going to quit paying for it?
If so, America is in a economic crisis and is in deep debt, I suspect there will be many more cuts like this that America can't afford and is not responsible for to help get themselves out of debt. You can't help anyone else out with money if you don't have it first.
Africa is responsible to help and take care of it's own people. Not America. Africa has some money. You need to lay the blame on those responsible.
If America has the money to help, then yes they should help. But they Don't right now.
I do not care much for Bush, or extremist pro lifers. I am a Christian and I am for abortion rights. And birth control really has nothing to do with abortion or pro life anyway. But some disagree.
Abortion.
There are about 47 million abortions every year around the world. Pro lifers what to make it illegal for all.
Fact. 1 to 2% of abortions are because of rape.
Do the math.
That's a lot of girls and women raped that chose to abort the fetus so they don't have to go threw the trauma all over again of having a rapists baby.
I thank God that He has made it legal for all these women and girls to have this choice and help ease their suffering.
Pro lifers sit there and say that these women are such a small number of abortions that they don't matter, and that they have to have these rapists baby's anyways because God said so. As if they know what God says.
They don't know the God I know.
And from what I read in the bible, God is quite clear that there is a time for everything. And aborting a fetus caused by rape is one of them if the victim chooses.
And if one of my daughters was ever raped, no self righteous religious zealots are going to force her to have a rapists baby if she chooses not to. Over my dead body.
Fact.
6% to 8% of abortions are due to health reasons.
Do the math. That's Lot's of women.
I thank God that these women have the option to save their own life's. Now this is true pro life.
Pro lifers would say these women need to give up, or risk their own life's for that UN born fetus because God says so. I have read the bible many times and still can't find were.
Always remember, Just because some people claim to be Christian does not mean they are.
Just because people say their doing something in the name of God does not mean it's the will of God.
Do I think women should be using abortion as birth control? NO.
There are many responsible options out there for birth control. Use them.