@sonship
You need to cease the cowardly practice of getting on people backs if they don't respond immediately as if you have somehow overpowered someone with your argument (when in reality the person is no longer logged into the site). Dive isn't around at the moment. Be patient, not disingenuous.
@ghost-of-a-duke saidLol.
Precisely sir.
He admits that his assertions are speculation and is unwilling to provide any biblical basis for them. Instead, he brazenly asks for evidence they are unbiblical.
It's like me speculating Moses was left-handed, and instead of providing biblical support for this, asking instead that people show evidence that he wasn't left-handed.
@sonship saidAliens on other planets observing eternal suffering is not in the Bible, period.
@divegeesterThe lost will glorify him in their endless woe ... they will be hung in chains of punishment as a deterrent to those on other worlds
Prove that the above sentence contradicts the Bible.
I’m beginning to wonder if you are entirely mentally stable sonship.
@sonship saidTorment in burning flames for eternity isn't a deterrent to non-believers because, in the absence of even one scintilla of evidence that it is real, one is therefore supposed to believe it is being conducted in complete secrecy.
prove that future punishment of the lost is in no way a deterrent.
Can the people 'on other worlds' see the burning dead people being tortured and hung out on chains?
No, they can't.
Can I? No. In fact, no one can.
It's just in your imagination sonship.
So, how is it a deterrent then?
And, furthermore, there would be no moral purpose in carrying out the hung-out-burning-on-chains things on non-believers after they die if its attempt at coercion had not worked while those non-believers were alive due to the fact that it was not believable.
So what is the far-fetched threat of "future punishment" for?
It certainly is not a deterrent.
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Aliens on other planets observing eternal suffering is not in the Bible, period.
I’m beginning to wonder if you are entirely mentally stable sonship.
The lost will glorify him in their endless woe ... they will be hung in chains of punishment as a deterrent to those on other worlds
THAT is what you accuse me of writing out of your dishonest imagination.
THIS is what I wrote:
The saved will glorify God with their endless happiness. But the lost will glorify Him with their endless woe. They will be hung out in chains of punishment as an example to deter other worlds. That punishment is designed to deter others from like guilt is evidenced so often in the Bible.
While you're contemplating "mental stability" explain your lying about what I actually wrote.
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In the mean time you get an all around F for failure:
Did divester handle this ?
1. Divegeester should show that there is no such thing as "the lost".
Nope.
Not even with a little help from his friends.
Did Divegeester handle this?
2.) Divegeester should show there is NO "endless woe" for the lost.
Nope.
Did Divegeester do his job to handle this?
3.) Divegeester must prove that God does not intend that such lost will bring any glory to Himself.
Nope. He didn't even try.
I thought surely he'd tackle this one, a pretty easy one:
4.) Divegeester must prove no such thing as "hung out in chains" pertains to the lost.
Nope. Couldn't deal with that either.
Did Divegeester show this is totally not in the Bible?
5.) Divegeester must prove that future punishment of the lost is in no way a deterrent.
NO! He's depending on you to not like it to count instead of him showing its unbiblical.
Did Divegeester deal with this ??
6.) Divegeester must prove no such thing as "other words" is possible in that coming age.
NO! He lied to twist my words "deter other worlds" to match his imagination "a deterrent to those ON other worlds."
F - Even with a little help from his friends.
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@dj2becker
Sorry dj2becker.
Time to turn the thread back to the OP.
I agree with the following quote and would like to have your views on the matter:
“If we are to accept the teaching of Jesus at all, then the only test of the reality of a man's religion is his attitude to his fellow men. The only possible proof that a man loves God is the demonstrated fact that he loves his fellow men.” -- William Barclay
An addition it could be said that anyone who claims to love God yet hates his brother is a liar.
22 May 19
@sonship saidIt’s not in quotation marks because I knew you would try to deflect from your strange beliefs and the point of the exchange here by quibbling over the exact working.
@divegeester
While you're contemplating "mental stability" explain your lying about what I actually wrote.
Furthermore I picked you up a couple of days ago when you twice “quoted” me in a post and both quotes were things I have never said. You didn’t apologise for “lying” as you call it, then.
22 May 19
@sonship saidCan the aliens on these other worlds see the lost being hung in chains of woe?
@divegeester
THIS is what I wrote:The saved will glorify God with their endless happiness. But the lost will glorify Him with their endless woe. They will be hung out in chains of punishment as an example to deter other worlds. That punishment is designed to deter others from like guilt is evidenced so often in the Bible.
How does the billions of lost souls being in endless woe glorify Jesus?
22 May 19
Not my question...
But the criminal's head on a pike scares criminals and, thus, in an abstract sense, serves a purpose as a warning, does it not, Dive?
Thus the logic seems pretty wound: any action which affirms God also glorifies God, and this could be said of a very wide variety of things.
Perhaps everything.
@philokalia saidDepicting the invisible non-evidenced eternal burning alive of billions of people as putting “a criminals head on a spike” as a way of supporting sonships bizarro beliefs about aliens on other planets being deterred (from something) and the lost glorifying Jesus as the metaphorical “heads on spikes”...has to be one of the most revolting notions to ever come out of an alleged Christians mind.
But the criminal's head on a pike scares criminals and, thus, in an abstract sense, serves a purpose as a warning, does it not, Dive?
Thus the logic seems pretty wound: any action which affirms God also glorifies God, and this could be said of a very wide variety of things.
Do you ever stop to think about what you post?
@philokalia saidWith the torturer god ideology, there is no "head on a pike". There is only some inexplicably demented violence in the imagination of some religionists.
But the criminal's head on a pike scares criminals and, thus, in an abstract sense, serves a purpose as a warning
If the eternal torment in flames was occurring, then it would be being carried out in complete and utter secrecy and therefore plays no role as a deterrent to non-believers. That would be nonsense beyond parody - although Dr Strangelove touched upon it.
Torturer god ideologues like sonship aren't issuing a credible "warning" about anything; they are simply describing an incoherent and depraved moral darkness that happens to appeal to their imaginations.
Christians have no "heads on a pikes" to show anyone. Thousands of years; no evidence of it whatsoever.