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Originally posted by robbie carrobieSo, you are now calling paul a liar. Great!
not so, its contradicted by the mere fact that Paul himself was considered an apostle, an
apostle to the nations, yet he was not among the twelve.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieThey were considered disciples, others call them apostles.
sorry suzzianne your whole argument breaks down by the mere fact that there was no
clergy laity distinction in the first century, all were considered as worthy of the Good
News, indeed when Christ sent out seventy, what positions did those persons hold?
clearly they were not apostles, therefore what position did they hold? Paul states to
th ...[text shortened]... is great, do you
belong to a farming community, let me tell you no one sleeps in harvest time.
Originally posted by SuzianneThey might as well be called angels then, for that's the meaning of the term, a sent
They were considered disciples, others call them apostles.
How can you say they were clearly not apostles? From the Greek, an apostle was one who was sent on a mission, a disciple was a student. The Seventy clearly were sent on a mission, and later on, nearly all of them became bishops.
What was your point again?
Originally posted by robbie carrobieWhy then is the word "bishop" in the Holy Bible then if it is not a
They might as well be called angels then, for that's the meaning of the term, a sent
one. Regardless, all of them went on a public ministry, as directed by the Christ.
Bishop is not a Biblical term.
Originally posted by RJHindsGood question. Apparently "bishop" is etymologically related to latin episcopus, epi-scopus, overseer, from the 3rd C BCE Greek translation of the OT, e.g, Neh 11:22, where an ἐπίσκοπος or overseer of the Levites is mentioned. P's sometime become b's and with this it isn't too hard to see the etymological transition of the word from its Greek origin. It also isn't too hard to see a group of Christians headed by a bishop (overseer) as analogous to a tribe of Israel. So "bishop" seems to have as good a Biblical genealogy as many other words that started out as Hebrew or Aramaic or Greek.
Why then is the word "bishop" in the Holy Bible then if it is not a
biblical term?
Originally posted by JS357edit: RHP doesn't like Greek. Look for the Greek at http://www.newadvent.org/bible/neh011.htm
Good question. Apparently "bishop" is etymologically related to latin episcopus, epi-scopus, overseer, from the 3rd C BCE Greek translation of the OT, e.g, Neh 11:22, where an ἐπίσκοπος or overseer of the Levites is mentioned. P's sometime become b's and with this it isn't too hard to see the etymological transiti ...[text shortened]... as spelled out, e.g. epsilon, pi, iota, sigma, etc. (Lower case sigma has two symbols).
Originally posted by JS357Very good!
Good question. Apparently "bishop" is etymologically related to latin episcopus, epi-scopus, overseer, from the 3rd C BCE Greek translation of the OT, e.g, Neh 11:22, where an ἐπίσκοπος or overseer of the Levites is mentioned. P's sometime become b's and with this it isn't too hard to see the etymological transiti ...[text shortened]... as spelled out, e.g. epsilon, pi, iota, sigma, etc. (Lower case sigma has two symbols).
Originally posted by robbie carrobieSimple - because I am only a nominal Christian. Why would I teach and preach something I don't believe in?
why dont you teach and preach in obedience to Christ's command at Matthew 28:19,20
and in view of Pauls example at Acts 20:20? dont you believe the Christ's words?
(Luke 11:23) . . .He that is not on my side is against me, and [b]he that does not gather with me scatters.[/b]
Originally posted by JS357Translations are good and bad, good in that we get what we need in our
Good question. Apparently "bishop" is etymologically related to latin episcopus, epi-scopus, overseer, from the 3rd C BCE Greek translation of the OT, e.g, Neh 11:22, where an ἐπίσκοπος or overseer of the Levites is mentioned. P's sometime become b's and with this it isn't too hard to see the etymological transiti as spelled out, e.g. epsilon, pi, iota, sigma, etc. (Lower case sigma has two symbols).
Originally posted by KellyJayThe faithful can trust that God will assure that they will not make a grievous error due to a mistake in translation or understanding of the Bible they are using. But this forum shows that people who think they have done sufficient study, can disagree on things they think are of utmost importance.
Translations are good and bad, good in that we get what we need in our
own language, bad in that sometimes depending on the translation we can
get it wrong. Not because the words used are 'wrong' but may mean one
thing in the time of the translation that don't hold true later in time, or that
cultures can alter the true meaning. I like reading several e ...[text shortened]... ught at
the time. Now we view them as how to sort of thing if we are not careful.
Kelly
Originally posted by JS357The Greek term episkopos, meaning “overseer,” originally described each and all of
Good question. Apparently "bishop" is etymologically related to latin episcopus, epi-scopus, overseer, from the 3rd C BCE Greek translation of the OT, e.g, Neh 11:22, where an ἐπίσκοπος or overseer of the Levites is mentioned. P's sometime become b's and with this it isn't too hard to see the etymological transiti ...[text shortened]... as spelled out, e.g. epsilon, pi, iota, sigma, etc. (Lower case sigma has two symbols).
Originally posted by robbie carrobieI was addressing someone's comment that the word "bishop" is not Biblical. It is reportedly an etymological descendant of episkopus, which was used in translating the OT to Greek (Neh 11-22). This does not mean I endorse the RCC's structure of organization and authority.
The Greek term episkopos, meaning “overseer,” originally described each and all of
the elders who had the duty of looking out for or overseeing the interests of the
congregation, caring for their spiritual welfare like a shepherd. (Acts 20:28) But the
English word “bishop” (drawn from episkopos through the Latin episcopus) came to
stand for a ...[text shortened]... s), to shepherd the congregation
of God, which he purchased with the blood of his own Son. . .
Originally posted by JS357yes, but it is a term that has been subject to bastardization, so that what it originally
I was addressing someone's comment that the word "bishop" is not Biblical. It is reportedly an etymological descendant of episkopus, which was used in translating the OT to Greek (Neh 11-22). This does not mean I endorse the RCC's structure of organization and authority.