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-Removed-nothing to declare other than the usual self opinionated personal attacks, hardly
surprising, for that's what usually happens when one is deviod of reason, they become
emotional. either fess up or put up. If you are going to debate you need to fight
reason with reason, not emotional outbursts.
Originally posted by robbie carrobie..If you are going to debate you need to fight reason with reason...
nothing to declare other than the usual self opinionated personal attacks, hardly
surprising, for that's what usually happens when one is deviod of reason, they become
emotional. either fess up or put up. If you are going to debate you need to fight
reason with reason, not emotional outbursts.
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieOK thanks. The reason I ask is that I was wondering how successful the public ministry is, and there are differing reports on the number of Witnesses, one factor being active vs inactive. By any count, it looks like the public ministry approach that is being taken is pretty successful at least in terms of percentage growth.
yes we submit a report. status? what status are we referring to? everyone goes on
the ministry whether they are in the world headquarters at Brooklyn, New York, on in
outer Mongolia. No exceptions except on health grounds and even there, you can
count as little as fifteen minutes and report it. The only way that a persons status
changes ...[text shortened]... tive, then they have nothing to report, and that's all
they go from, being active to inactive.
Originally posted by robbie carrobiewho said we (non-JW orgs) don't have a public ministry? prove we don't.
you'll never reach them with the Good News either. I am fed up with you people
pointing the cannons at us, you want a taste of your own medicine, well here is your
chance. Fess up why you dont have a public ministry as directed by the Christ?
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieThis is partially what I meant by saying I'm not dancing for you. I do not have to prove myself to anyone but my judge at the final judgment, not you.
It is apparent that you have no idea of hwat is scripturally accurate, otherwise you
would be telling the forum about your public ministry, which you are not.
You assume much that is simply not true, my friend.
Originally posted by DowardI dont need to prove it, after all, i have asked now maybe six or seven times in the
who said we (non-JW orgs) don't have a public ministry? prove we don't.
hope that there is evidence for it. Now will you please address the scriptures that you
asked for.
Originally posted by SuzianneActually this whole thread is a loaded cannon Suzianne, i would never actually say to
This is partially what I meant by saying I'm not dancing for you. I do not have to prove myself to anyone but my judge at the final judgment, not you.
You assume much that is simply not true, my friend.
someone your not a Christian because you dont have a public ministry, i just got fed
up with all the cannons being pointed at us all the time, so, if its going to happen to us,
well, what did the Christ say? 'What you are measuring out will be measured out to
you,' its only fair after all. 🙂
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Originally posted by JS357percentage growth in one place is off set by that in others, also not all is from the Public
OK thanks. The reason I ask is that I was wondering how successful the public ministry is, and there are differing reports on the number of Witnesses, one factor being active vs inactive. By any count, it looks like the public ministry approach that is being taken is pretty successful at least in terms of percentage growth.
ministry, some come from the children of Jehovahs witnesses themselves, and also
there are i think around 40,000 persons who are removed or decide to leave each
year.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieI'll concede some of this, since my expertise doesn't go this far as to actually know the reasons it was introduced into the Greek.
are you kidding I was too busy getting punishment exercises, and suspended, and
behaviour sheets for that nonsense.
Yes that is correct it did not, but we have only sought to introduce it into the Greek text
when its clear that its a direct quotation from the Hebrew text which does contain the
divine name as evidenced from the Greek translat ...[text shortened]... lear that Christ early disciples used the divine name
and its found also the Greek Septuagint.
As to the tetragrammaton itself, it seems that most modern scholars now go with the pronunciation Yahweh, as opposed to Jehovah, and you even told me that your scriptures undergo revisions from time to time, like you mentioned 1984's revision. Do you ever see the day that the JWs become known as the YWs, and replace Jehovah in their texts with Yahweh?
It's a serious question, I'm not being flip.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieand yet, "Vengeance is mine, sayeth the Lord."
Actually this whole thread is a loaded cannon Suzianne, i would never actually say to
someone your not a Christian because you dont have a public ministry, i just got fed
up with all the cannons being pointed at us all the time, so, if its going to happen to us,
well, what did the Christ say? 'What you are measuring out will be measured out to
you,' its only fair after all. 🙂
I'm as guilty. I was driven to the attack by all your "you're not a Christian" BS. So you got your measure back first, is all. 😛
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Originally posted by Suzianneno worries, actually it depends on whether your alphabet has a Y or a J, some dont
I'll concede some of this, since my expertise doesn't go this far as to actually know the reasons it was introduced into the Greek.
As to the tetragrammaton itself, it seems that most modern scholars now go with the pronunciation Yahweh, as opposed to Jehovah, and you even told me that your scriptures undergo revisions from time to time, like you mention replace Jehovah in their texts with Yahweh?
It's a serious question, I'm not being flip.
have both, so the pronunciation is different, here is a list for example,
Awabakal - Yehóa
Bugotu - Jihova
Cantonese - Yehwowah
Danish - Jehova
Dutch - Jehovah
Efik - Jehovah
English - Jehovah
Fijian - Jiova
Finnish - Jehova
French - Jéhovah
Futuna - Ihova
German - Jehova
Hungarian - Jehova
Igbo - Jehova
Italian - Geova
Japanese - Ehoba
Maori - Ihowa
Motu - Iehova
Mwala-Malu - Jihova
Narrinyeri - Jehovah
Nembe - Jihova
Petats - Jihouva
Polish - Jehowa
Portuguese - Jeová
Romanian - Iehova
Samoan - Ieova
Sotho - Jehova
Spanish - Jehová
Swahili - Yehova
Swedish - Jehova
Tahitian - Iehova
Tagalog - Jehova
Tongan - Jihova
Venda - Yehova
Xhosa - uYehova
Yoruba - Jehofah
Zulu - uJehova
As no one knows for sure what the actual pronunciation was, its what is accepted
locally where your at.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieAre you equating Yahweh with Jehovah? My question was about the acceptance of the pronunciation of the actual tetragrammaton as Yahweh instead of Jehovah.
no worries, actually it depends on whether your alphabet has a Y or a J, some dont
have both, so the pronunciation is different, here is a list for example,
Awabakal - Yehóa
Bugotu - Jihova
Cantonese - Yehwowah
Danish - Jehova
Dutch - Jehovah
Efik - Jehovah
English - Jehovah
Fijian - Jiova
Finnish - Jehova
French - Jéhovah
Futuna - Ih ...[text shortened]... knows for sure what the actual pronunciation was, its what is accepted
locally where your at.
I was saying that most modern scholars now pronounce the tetragrammaton as Yahweh, not Jehovah (I'm using English as my example because it's my language, sue me). All your examples seem to be versions of Jehovah, nowhere do I see Yahweh.
I was asking if you think the JWs could ever revise themselves into the YWs? Knowing what you do about the church, how likely would that be to happen? (Within, say, the next 100 years.) (Not that I think we have that much time left on Planet Earth, but it's a hypothetical question.)
Originally posted by Suzianneno i doubt we would revise it, its been established as Jehovah for hundreds of years,
Are you equating Yahweh with Jehovah? My question was about the acceptance of the pronunciation of the actual tetragrammaton as Yahweh instead of Jehovah.
I was saying that most modern scholars now pronounce the tetragrammaton as Yahweh, not Jehovah (I'm using English as my example because it's my language, sue me). All your examples seem to be version ...[text shortened]... that I think we have that much time left on Planet Earth, but it's a hypothetical question.)
even the old King James version of the Bible has it four times as Jehovah. Scholars
have no idea of the way it was pronounced, its purely speculative.