10 Aug 14
For those who don't think there is a hell, what purpose does life have on earth today? Is there no purpose? Will we all wind up the same in the next life?
Also, for those who don't attend church. When Jesus said that he would build his church, what was he talking about? If he was talking about an actual organized body, why do you not attend church? If it is not an organized body of believers, what was Jesus talking about?
Originally posted by whodeyThe first sentence is wierd or badly phrased. Are you implying there must be a 'hell' [whatever that means] for life to have a purpose?
For those who don't think there is a hell, what purpose does life have on earth today? Is there no purpose? Will we all wind up the same in the next life?
Also, for those who don't attend church. When Jesus said that he would build his church, what was he talking about? If he was talking about an actual organized body, why do you not attend church? If it is not an organized body of believers, what was Jesus talking about?
10 Aug 14
Originally posted by Rajk999I'm just inquiring as to what purpose we have here.
The first sentence is wierd or badly phrased. Are you implying there must be a 'hell' [whatever that means] for life to have a purpose?
If nothing changes due to our living here in regards to eternity, what purpose do we have here?
10 Aug 14
Originally posted by Rajk999I think he wants to know why you believe the Holy Bible mentions a Hell and a Lake of Fire for unrepentant sinners if no one is going there.
The first sentence is wierd or badly phrased. Are you implying there must be a 'hell' [whatever that means] for life to have a purpose?
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10 Aug 14
Originally posted by whodeyI believe there is a lake of fire, but it has nothing to do with my purpose here on earth.
For those who don't think there is a hell, what purpose does life have on earth today? Is there no purpose? Will we all wind up the same in the next life?
Also, for those who don't attend church. When Jesus said that he would build his church, what was he talking about? If he was talking about an actual organized body, why do you not attend church? If it is not an organized body of believers, what was Jesus talking about?
If your purpose here on earth is only to avoid the Lake of fire, it is a lame reason for existence.
We are here to love and praise God and his son Jesus.
The word church(ecclisastes) means a group called out for a specific purpose. It is not about a man made building.
We are supposed to fellowship with other believers, if that is what you mean.
10 Aug 14
Originally posted by Rajk999I believe whodey believes there are some people on this forum that do not believe in a Hell where people are punished for their sins. If everybody goes to heaven anyway, then what is the purpose of a life on earth? Why did not God just create us in Heaven to begin with like He did the angels? That is my take on his post.
Evildoers are destroyed in the lake of fire. Who said nobody is going there?
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Originally posted by RJHindsEvery one does not go to heaven or receive eternal life if there is no hell.
I believe whodey believes there are some people on this forum that do not believe in a Hell where people are punished for their sins. If everybody goes to heaven anyway, then what is the purpose of a life on earth? Why did not God just create us in Heaven to begin with like He did the angels? That is my take on his post.
Those who reject Jesus, go in the Lake of fire and burn up, cease to exist.
I don't know of anyone who believes everyone gets eternal life.
Originally posted by whodeyIn response to your first question; I haven't see any Christians here claimimg there is no hell. I don't see what hell has to do with purpose.
For those who don't think there is a hell, what purpose does life have on earth today? Is there no purpose? Will we all wind up the same in the next life?
Also, for those who don't attend church. When Jesus said that he would build his church, what was he talking about? If he was talking about an actual organized body, why do you not attend church? If it is not an organized body of believers, what was Jesus talking about?
In response to your second question; I know this for an absolute certainty, Jesus was not talking about cults or denominations or in fact any sort of corporate religious body, he was talking about his body, his people, of whom he is the head. Contemporary "churchgoing" is largely a waste of a good Sunday morning.
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Originally posted by whodeyGod has an eternal purpose in creating the universe and man within it.
For those who don't think there is a hell, what purpose does life have on earth today? Is there no purpose? Will we all wind up the same in the next life?
Also, for those who don't attend church. When Jesus said that he would build his church, what was he talking about? If he was talking about an actual organized body, why do you not attend church? If it is not an organized body of believers, what was Jesus talking about?
God's purpose towards which He moves history and for which He created the creation is seen in Revelation 21 and 22. But it is very symbolic.
God's eternal purpose is to work Himself into man that God and man may be united, mingled, interwoven in a organic unity. This entity is in one way a living house and temple for God and from another angle a Bride and Wife to perfectly match Jesus Christ.
God's eternal purpose is to mass produce sons of God, brothers of Jesus Christ as a corporate living temple city New Jerusalem. God and man are blended in one.
It is for this reason that the universe exists and that we were created in it.
The invisible uncreated Divine Person wants to be made visible to His creatures by being imparted into them to be their live and everything.
God wants what Christ is - the mingling of Divinity with Humanity.
He wants Christ and He wants Christ expanded, Christ enlarged, Christ multiplied and built up together in life and love to be a city New Jerusalem.
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Originally posted by divegeesterAs I said before, maybe you should consider going to a Quaker... service? meeting? (not sure what they call it)
In response to your second question; I know this for an absolute certainty, Jesus was not talking about cults or denominations or in fact any sort of corporate religious body, he was talking about his body, his people, of whom he is the head. Contemporary "churchgoing" is largely a waste of a good Sunday morning.
As I understand it, Quakers also believe that God is everywhere and to require a building is not completely necessary for worship. Presumably I guess they do it for the fellowship with others. I have heard that they do not have a laity, per se, no minister or preacher giving a sermon or guiding the worship. Most of the time is spent in solo contemplation or prayer, and others there can give a little talk if the spirit moves them (or not). Even though they may act as a community, have pot luck dinners and such, I'm pretty sure they do not consider themselves a "corporate body".
Who knows? You might like it. 🙂
Whodey,
Perhaps, one of the purposes for unsaved people is to have time to accept Christ as Savior and Lord. People given enough time for human life have time to believe by faith in Christ for forgiveness of sin and for eternal life.
For believers, they have time to tell others about Christ's salvation.
As for all other purposes, your question about the purposes for human life, is a good one.
12 Aug 14
Originally posted by RJHindsFinally!
I believe whodey believes there are some people on this forum that do not believe in a Hell where people are punished for their sins. If everybody goes to heaven anyway, then what is the purpose of a life on earth? Why did not God just create us in Heaven to begin with like He did the angels? That is my take on his post.
Thanks RJ, that is exactly what I'm asking.
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12 Aug 14
Originally posted by divegeesterReally? So going to church is a waste of time for everyone?
In response to your first question; I haven't see any Christians here claimimg there is no hell. I don't see what hell has to do with purpose.
In response to your second question; I know this for an absolute certainty, Jesus was not talking about cults or denominations or in fact any sort of corporate religious body, he was talking about his body, hi ...[text shortened]... of whom he is the head. Contemporary "churchgoing" is largely a waste of a good Sunday morning.
That is a very broad brush your using their fella.
Why do you think Jesus hung out at the Synagogue? Why did he take a whip and drive out the money changers? Why should a synagogue mean anything to him?
Why did the disciples start organized churches? Why did Paul waste all his time starting churches and writing letters to churches?
Was Paul wasting his time as well?