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-Removed-yes but I wondered when you are going to take your own advice, here you are telling others to look in the mirror when as far as i can discern you are intent on doing nothing of the sort and instead spend your time harping on about the faults of other people. Isn't that also hypocrisy?
and I was not harpin on about sonships faults I was simply telling him why I have not mentioned the Holy spirit because he refused to read what I have written in the past and assumed because it conflicts with his dogma.
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-Removed-By "we" you mean to imply that I'm not part of you little in-clique? Oh dear I guess I'll have to live with that
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That is a loaded statement. The word "we" would not include someone who would be criticizing that the Bible shows the New Jerusalem logically could be referred to as a city of water.
Since you took the initiative to take that critical stand, it is you that is standing aloof from the "we" and not "we" who are ostracizing you out.
It is the same as if I had said "we" who believe in the Triune God. And you then you come along and say - "Oh you are exclusive and elite and cliquish".
No, YOU of your own incentive distance YOUSELF from those who believe in the Triune God. Right ? Of course right.
I did not say "WE who belong to God" Did I?
I did not say "WE who are Christians" Did I?
I did not even say "WE who are constituents of the New Jerusalem." Did I?
Nor did I say "WE who are members of the church." Did I?
When you choose to stand aloof and distance yourself voluntarily from an aspect of the teaching of the Bible, don't then turn around and call those who wish to accept it and enjoy it as a clique.
I said only "we who are enjoying the recovery of the church life".
Maybe the "clique" is you and those who put your nose high in the air against the many brothers and sisters who see eternal punishment as a valid teaching in Scripture.
Maybe the "clique" is you who glare down your spectacles at the many Christians who believe in the Trinity.
Maybe in word only you are "Universal" but really are sectarian.
Maybe the clique is in your "Unitarian" posture but really is exclusivist rejection of believers who believe in one God as Father - Son - Holy Spirit.
Don't over flatter yourself about how "upset" I get because I meet a little skepticism
Hey it's your thread...only you know your true motivations for starting it sonship.
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Hey its my thread?
Hey, hey, its my thread?
Yes, I know I started the thread. And it is no secret why I started the thread. It was to see WHY you three in particular who appear to be reasonably well versed in the Scriptures, don't say much about something it talks of quite much - "the Spirit"
Hey, hey, wasn't the "real motivation" of the thread expressed plainly in the OP?
The real motivation of the thread can be found right here:
Divegeester, Rajk999, Robbie Carrobie I have a question for the three of you. I would like each of you to give your reply to it.
All three of you have written rather disdainful or sneering comments in the thread The City of Water.
Why do you three posters not talk very much about the Spirit of God ?
I see you write a lot. To my sense you three don't speak very much about the Holy Spirit.
Is my perception wrong? Or if you three each do not write very much about the experience and truths concerning the Holy Spirit, WHY is that ?
The real motivation sure wasn't to get you three fighting among yourselves.
In this case I was wanting to see what you guys had in common more than what you have as differences - why you all don't share more about the Spirit?
Why?
No skepticism here, just straightforward Biblical based disagreement and highlighting of you inventing your own teaching.
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What did I invent? I invented the phrase "City of Water" ?
Okay. No problem, I invented the phrase "City of Water" (Actually, I probably heard it from Witness Lee).
Aside from a phrase "City of Water" what about the FACTS taught there in the Bible ?
Is the "water of life" a prominent symbol in the city ?
Would that be a "Yes, it is"
Or a rather skeptical "No, it is NOT" ?
Commit to a viewpoint.
I say, Yes, the water of life is a major aspect of this city in Revelation 21,22.
For example in as early as chapter 7 speaking of the eternal destiny of the saved:
"For the Lamb who is in the midst of the throne will shepherd them and guide them to springs of waters of life; and God will wipe away every tear from their eyes." (Rev. 7:11)
Since the Redeemer will shepherd the saved to springs of "WATERS OF LIFE" it is evident the eternal city has "WATERS ... of life" as a major characteristic.
And again:
"And the Spirit and the bride say, Come! And let him who hears say, Come! And let him who is THIRSTY ..come; let him who wills take the WATER OF LIFE freely." (Rev. 22:17)
Seems here too "WATER OF LIFE" is a major feature for the saved in the eternal city.
Then again:
"And he showed me a river of WATER OF LIFE, bright as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb in the middle of its street." (22:1)
Its certainly a "City of Water" - my bad for inventing ...
But New Jerusalem really is a "City of Water (of God's life)".
And it beats a "lake of fire" . I came up with that phrase (probably not my invention) to make the contrast between the -
"lake of fire" and the "City of Water".
Think about how much the Spirit occupies a part of your understanding of the New Testament.
OK thanks.
Anytime.
Oh, In what thread did you talk substantially about "the Spirit" ?