Quotes from American Founding Fathers

Originally posted by RJHinds
I think the majority of America's founding Fathers were either Christian or
believed in God. This is for many reasons. Two of them are the fact that
our justice system is based on the ten commandment and Christian
principles

no.

and our constitution is signed and dated in the name of our Lord.

it's dated in the year of our lord, which was a common convention for dating all documents.

Originally posted by RJHinds
I think the majority of America's founding Fathers were either Christian or
believed in God. This is for many reasons. Two of them are the fact that
our justice system is based on the ten commandment and Christian
principles and our constitution is signed and dated in the name of our Lord.

I'm sorry, you think your legal system is based on the ten commandments?

You really need an education, one based in this reality.

Originally posted by VoidSpirit
no.

and our constitution is signed and dated in the name of our Lord.

it's dated in the year of our lord, which was a common convention for dating all documents.

Yes, it is common because they believed in our Lord.

Originally posted by Ullr
It's a shame that nobody will listen to you anymore. How sad. Perhaps you're not being loud enough? I recommend that you immediately start 5 new threads with opening posts about 3 pages long about how great the Vedic religion is. Then finally you might get a mere ounce of the attention you so desperately crave.

Even FMF has given up. :'(

I think the beginning of his downfall was not joining forces with Rwingett. He had RHP in his grasps but it is all falling apart due to his insistance on conquering alone.

More is the pity.

Originally posted by RJHinds
Yes, it is common because they believed in our Lord.

no more so than anybody who uses bills labeled "in god we trust" actually trust in god. the use of the social custom has no bearing on the persons belief.

further, we are still in the 'year of our lord' calender but the convention of using it has been dropped. does that mean everyone has stopped believing in god?

your argument is completely shattered. next.

Originally posted by VoidSpirit
no more so than anybody who uses bills labeled "in god we trust" actually trust in god. the use of the social custom has no bearing on the persons belief.

further, we are still in the 'year of our lord' calender but the convention of using it has been dropped. does that mean everyone has stopped believing in god?

your argument is completely shattered. next.

It was improtant to mention OUR LORD to the founding fathers because
they believed without the providence of God, as George Washington
pointed out, that they would not succeed in establishing this new nation.
Today, many of the people have become spoiled by the freedoms we share
and do not appreciate that without the providence of God we would no
longer have them and they could be taken away in the same manner that
it happened to the ancient nation of Israel. I am thankful that there are
many here that still believe in God. But there are a growing number that
don't and attempt to take God out of everything they possibly can. This
includes taking God off our money. So you may believe my argument is
completely shattered and God may eventually be taken off our money, but
I hope our nation does not continue to turn our back on God and ignore
His existence for I fear what will happen if we do.

Originally posted by RJHinds
Yes, it is common because they believed in our Lord.

The whole world accepts and works with a common calendar and dates (AD) and so we are moving towards using CE (Common Era) and BCE (Before Common Era) so that nuts like you do not associate a calendar witha belief system.

To say that a document dated "In the Year of Our Lord" indicates a religious belief is absolute nonsense.

Do you think Muslims using the common calendar are sudenly believers in Jesus?

Do you think I become a theist when I write a date as BC?

Think man!

Originally posted by wolfgang59
The whole world accepts and works with a common calendar and dates (AD) and so we are moving towards using CE (Common Era) and BCE (Before Common Era) so that nuts like you do not associate a calendar witha belief system.

To say that a document dated "In the Year of Our Lord" indicates a religious belief is absolute nonsense.

Do you think Muslims ...[text shortened]... believers in Jesus?

Do you think I become a theist when I write a date as BC?

Think man!

It has nothing to do with the calendar are dating. It is all about using
the words "Our Lord" and their expression of their beliefs.

Originally posted by RJHinds
It has nothing to do with the calendar are dating. It is all about using
the words "Our Lord" and their expression of their beliefs.

No it is about following the common conventions of the time so that when you write
something other people can understand it.

It was the convention at the time (established for religious reasons for sure) to date things
'in the year of our lord' to indicate you were using a calender based on when JC was born.
Everyone (in countries that used this calender) dated things 'in the year of our lord' regardless
of their own faith stance or beliefs.
Because everyone did it regardless of their own faith, you can't claim that because someone did it it
meant that they did believe.

Also, in the case of the American constitution, while it is plainly evident that many of the founding
fathers were enlightenment men who were either atheists or deists that is irrelevant to whether or
not they intended America to be a Christian nation.
The in fact made it abundantly clear that they wanted it to be a secular nation so that they would be
protecting the religious rights of people of all faiths or none at all.
Both what is said in the constitution and what they said were their aims in writing it back this up.
Which renders what they personally believed as irrelevant to any discussion on what their intentions were.

Originally posted by googlefudge
No it is about following the common conventions of the time so that when you write
something other people can understand it.

It was the convention at the time (established for religious reasons for sure) to date things
'in the year of our lord' to indicate you were using a calender based on when JC was born.
Everyone (in countries that used this ...[text shortened]... hat they personally believed as irrelevant to any discussion on what their intentions were.

I believe you are either ignorate of the facts or dishonest.

Originally posted by RJHinds
I believe you are either ignorant of the facts or dishonest.

I am neither, which rather demonstrates the flaw in belief without evidence.

Originally posted by googlefudge
I am neither, which rather demonstrates the flaw in belief without evidence.

You apparently have been taught propaganda by your British schools.
I guess that accounts for it all.

Originally posted by whodey
Even FMF has given up. :'(

I think the beginning of his downfall was not joining forces with Rwingett. He had RHP in his grasps but it is all falling apart due to his insistance on conquering alone.

More is the pity.

Geez, even I have to defend FMF for this one.

I really dont see how he was trying to conquer anything. Perhaps I am wrong and you could enlighten me as to where i went astray?

Originally posted by karoly aczel
Geez, even I have to defend FMF for this one.

I really dont see how he was trying to conquer anything. Perhaps I am wrong and you could enlighten me as to where i went astray?

whodey is referring to rwingget's tongue in cheek 'joining of forces' with Dasa a couple of months back. Let me reframe it:

"I think the beginning of Dasa's downfall was not joining forces with Rwingett. Dasa had RHP in his grasps but it is all falling apart due to his insistance on conquering alone."

Originally posted by RJHinds
It was improtant to mention OUR LORD to the founding fathers because
they believed without the providence of God, as George Washington
pointed out, that they would not succeed in establishing this new nation.
Today, many of the people have become spoiled by the freedoms we share
and do not appreciate that without the providence of God we would no
longer ha ...[text shortened]... there are a growing number that
don't and attempt to take God out of everything they possibly can.

your elaborate diatribe does not change the fact that it was mere custom to use the phrase "in the year of our lord."

This includes taking God off our money.

heavens no! that would be an insult to your god, money. but taking it off wouldn't mask the fact that it is money on which you place your trust.

So you may believe my argument is
completely shattered and God may eventually be taken off our money, but
I hope our nation does not continue to turn our back on God and ignore
His existence for I fear what will happen if we do.

yeah, we might actually become a beacon of enlightened civilization. can't let that happen.