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    16 Nov '11 12:08
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    You apparently have been taught propaganda by your British schools.
    I guess that accounts for it all.
    Again actually no, I didn't study history at school at a point where I would have covered
    American modern history.

    What I learned about your history was mostly post school, and often from Americans.

    You on the other hand have been taught propaganda by your priests and the republican
    party.
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    17 Nov '11 00:26
    Originally posted by googlefudge
    Again actually no, I didn't study history at school at a point where I would have covered
    American modern history.

    What I learned about your history was mostly post school, and often from Americans.

    You on the other hand have been taught propaganda by your priests and the republican
    party.
    You must have been talking to some of those far left liberals then.
    They do have your point of view, since you mentioned it.
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    17 Nov '11 00:35
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    You must have been talking to some of those far left liberals then.
    They do have your point of view, since you mentioned it.
    Actually it's a view held by everyone not on the far far far right.
    However as that is where you stand...

    But if you simply read the constitution and surrounding documentation including what the
    founding fathers wrote to each other at the time it is clear that what they intended was a
    secular nation and government, with a population free to worship as they chose without fear
    of persecution or prejudice.

    This necessitates not only a freedom of religion but a freedom from it.
    Which also requires that people not be subjected to other peoples (especially the majority) religion
    in state institutions/services.
    Like schools.
    Everyone is supposed to be able to go to and be educated at state schools without being persecuted
    (bullied/intimidated/indoctrinated) by those of a different faith.
    This can't happen if those in the majority simply impose their faith and religiosity on everyone else.

    This doesn't mean that you are prevented from worshipping in public, just from imposing your religion on
    others in inappropriate settings.

    Which would seem to be no more than common courtesy and decency anyway.
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    17 Nov '11 07:15
    Originally posted by googlefudge
    Actually it's a view held by everyone not on the far far far right.
    However as that is where you stand...

    But if you simply read the constitution and surrounding documentation including what the
    founding fathers wrote to each other at the time it is clear that what they intended was a
    secular nation and government, with a population free to worsh ...[text shortened]... ropriate settings.

    Which would seem to be no more than common courtesy and decency anyway.
    So you think it is common courtesy and decency.
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    17 Nov '11 11:29
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    So you think it is common courtesy and decency.
    In a place where people come together for reasons other than religion yes.

    If you are a kid who goes to a state school for which your parents pay taxes you shouldn't
    be singled out for being the only (or one of the only) kids who isn't a member of the local
    majority religion, whatever that is.

    You are free to practice your religion vocally almost anywhere, I don't see why you can't
    button it in those few situations where you are along side people who have just as much
    right to be where they are as you but don't share your particular faith.
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