12 Mar 05
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Originally posted by dj2beckerYour assumption . that only air breathing animals would have needed to be saved dont make it either,, fresh water fishes cannot survive in saltwater nor can plants or termites the number of termite pairs alone needing to be saved would have been more than sufficient eat enough of the hull to sink it.
[b]The ark was not big enough to hold the cargo.
The total available floor space on the ark would have been over 100,000 square feet, which would be more floor space than in 20 standard-sized basketball courts. Assuming an 1 ...[text shortened]... tly lightened.
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even salt water plants would have been crushed by the weight of the water .
supernatural forces are just more pseudo science.. where did your " scientists" study science .... The University of Mumbo -Jumbo ?
12 Mar 05
Originally posted by dj2beckerI love this game:
Ancient Chinese writing consisted of a series of word pictures or pictographs which combined separate features to express a idea or concept. The symbol for Shang Ti (God) is a combination of the symbol for emperor and the symbol for heaven (or above). Thus, the original God worshiped by the Chinese was a single heavenly emperor (not many gods). The Bible s ...[text shortened]... Discovery of Genesis.
This Article is from Bruce Malone's book, "Search for the Truth".
From: http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CG/CG101.html
Claim CG101: The Chinese glyph for ship is made up of pictographs for "vessel," "eight," and "mouth," indicating the eight passengers on Noah's ark.
Source: Kang, C. H. and Ethel R. Nelson, 1979. The Discovery of Genesis, St. Louis, MO: Concordia Publishing House.
van Arnhem, Cees, 2002.
Response:
The Chinese character for boat (chuan 2) consists of the boat radical on the left and a phonetic element on the right. The phonetic element has two parts. The upper part is a primitive ideograph for "divide," though it looks the same as the character for "eight." The lower part is the pictograph for "mouth." However, these two elements have only phonetic significance (Wright 1996; Wright n.d.).
The "vessel" on the left side of the glyph is a pictograph of a dugout canoe, nothing like an ark.
According to the Bible, Noah's ark carried very many more than eight mouths.
No flood myths from China include an ark with eight passengers.
Links:
Wright, Mike. n.d. Do Chinese characters tell us something about Genesis? http://www.coastalfog.net/languages/chinchar/chinchar.html
References:
Wright, Mike. n.d. (see above)
Wright, Mike. 1996. Re: Chinese characters as pornography. Usenet posting, Message-ID: <31C87C35.FF3@redshift.com>, http://www.google.com/groups?as_umsgid=31C87C35.FF3%40redshift.com
12 Mar 05
Originally posted by dj2beckerThats the usual misrepretating to suit the opinion of the authors. I am glad you used the term "historical knowlege "
Ancient Chinese writing consisted of a series of word pictures or pictographs which combined separate features to express a idea or concept. The symbol for Shang Ti (God) is a combination of the symbol for emperor and the symbol for heaven (or above). Thus, the original God worshiped by the Chinese was a single heavenly emperor (not many gods). The Bible s ...[text shortened]... Discovery of Genesis.
This Article is from Bruce Malone's book, "Search for the Truth".
Because the flood that the bible refers is not a prehistorc event.. it's a local flood of the Tigris river area,,, there are WRITTEN documents attesting to it that existed before Abrhams Semetic ancestors migrated into the southern Iraq (Sumer ) ,,the flood ( of the bible ) actually hit the Sumerian civilization. and for this we have geological proof as well as the written words.
and there is a good deal of reason to believe that the Babel story was alluding to the switch-over from the Sumerian's Indo- European language to the new ( to the area) Semetic language of Babylon... the Kings List places the new (post flood) kingship in Kic ( Kish) the city of the Babylonian kings.
12 Mar 05
Originally posted by bbarrLOL
I love this game:
From: [b]http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CG/CG101.html
Claim CG101: The Chinese glyph for ship is made up of pictographs for "vessel," "eight," and "mouth," indicating the eight passengers on Noah's ark.
Source: Kang, C. H. and Ethel R. Nelson, 1979. The Discovery of Genesis, St. Louis, MO: Concordia Publishing ...[text shortened]... 1C87C35.FF3@redshift.com>, http://www.google.com/groups?as_umsgid=31C87C35.FF3%40redshift.com
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12 Mar 05
Originally posted by dj2beckerIt was the scientific method that you so deride and despise that has given you:
Maybe you need to consider the limitations of your scientific method that have led you into your pseudo interpretation of reality...
- Safe aeroplane travel
- The destruction of Smallpox
- Heart surgery
- The computer that you are typing your calumny upon
- SCUBA diving.
- The Hubble telescope
- X-rays
- Plastic
- Laminated widscreens
- The Golden Gate Bridge
- Hydro-electricity
- Crystalography
- Bathyscaphes
- Theory of relativity
- IVF
- Viagra
- Mohs' scale
- Phonology and phonetics
- Genetic engineering
- The Sydney Opera House
- Discovery of DNA
- The ink used in printing the Bible
- Biology
- Anatomy
- Astronomy
- Electric-Arc Process of steel making
- Infernal (or is that internal) combustion engine that gets you to church
- Paraffin that is burnt in the candles in your church.
So djbecker - dispose of the scientific method at your peril and return to the pre-Enlightenment. You would probably be more comfortable there. You could perhaps join the Inquisition. They didn't like new ideas either.
Henry
12 Mar 05
Originally posted by dj2beckerThere is NO evidence for a world wide flood. This is creation science fantasy.
I will not try to disprove any basic science. Would you mind answering my question. Have you considered the evidence for a worldwide flood?
There is plenty of evidence for a flood (indeed many floods) in Mesopotamia where the creation myths based on floods came from. Read your history...and not just rubbish put out by the creationists. Go on, I dare you to broaden your reading.
And don't suggest that I spend my limited life on this earth reading more Duane Gish stupidity, because I've done that...and I can tell you that he has not added one jot to world wide knowledge.
12 Mar 05
Originally posted by dj2beckerI quite agree with the statement that Noah's problems would have really begun. Because these eight people would have had to have carried inside them:
Once aboard, many have suggested that Noah's problems really began, with only 8 people to feed and water, to provide fresh air and sanitation for the huge menagerie of animals for a total of 371 days. However, a number of scientists have suggested that the animals may have gone into a type of dormancy. It has been said that in nearly all groups of anima ...[text shortened]... heir care would have been greatly lightened.
http://christiananswers.net/q-eden/edn-c013.html
- Ringworm (all species)
- Diptheria
- Small pox
- Herpes (all types)
- Syphilis
- Gonhorrhea
- Shingles
- Hepatitis A, B & C
- Influenza
- Whooping Cough
- Scarlet Fever
- Measles
- Chicken Pox
etc
Imagine 371 days afloat with this disease ridden crew...its a wonder they could rise from their sick bed to tend to the animals.
dj2becker - Noah's ark is a FAIRY TALE. Full stop - believed by little kiddies...
13 Mar 05
Originally posted by MaustrauserROFL!
I quite agree with the statement that Noah's problems would have really begun. Because these eight people would have had to have carried inside them:
- Ringworm (all species)
- Diptheria
- Small pox
- Herpes (all types)
- Syphilis
- Gonhorrhea
- Shingles
- Hepatitis A, B & C
- Influenza
- Whooping Cough
- Scarlet Fever
- Measles
- Chicke ...[text shortened]... mals.
dj2becker - Noah's ark is a FAIRY TALE. Full stop - believed by little kiddies...
13 Mar 05
Originally posted by MaustrauserWhy would they have had to carry all of that?
I quite agree with the statement that Noah's problems would have really begun. Because these eight people would have had to have carried inside them:
- Ringworm (all species)
- Diptheria
- Small pox
- Herpes (all types)
- Syphilis
- Gonhorrhea
- Shingles
- Hepatitis A, B & C
- Influenza
- Whooping Cough
- Scarlet Fever
- Measles
- Chicke ...[text shortened]... mals.
dj2becker - Noah's ark is a FAIRY TALE. Full stop - believed by little kiddies...
13 Mar 05
Originally posted by DarfiusI shall take that as a serious question.
Why would they have had to carry all of that?
Apparently Noah carried all living beasties (other than the salt loving fish apparently) and therefore he would have need to carry all known human diseases (unless of course they evolved after the flood - but I don't think 'Becker would accept that). As I very much doubt that Noah had petrie dishes with agar and temperature controlled places to keep all these diseases and parasites, they would have to be kept on a human host.
A further questions for the Noah's ark proponents, surely Noah had to have carried all the plants and insects too? And all the grubs and slugs and other critters. Quite a menagerie! Oh, and his pair of each animal would also need to carry their diseases and parasites. Gawd. Imagine the fleas!
13 Mar 05
Originally posted by MaustrauserI checked on diamond formation and found the superman had some hot hands since diamond formation needs pressures of 60,000 atmospheres @ temperatures of 2000-3000 Kelvin.
I shall take that as a serious question.
Apparently Noah carried all living beasties (other than the salt loving fish apparently) and therefore he would have need to carry all known human diseases (unless of course they evolved after the flood - but I don't think 'Becker would accept that). As I very much doubt that Noah had petrie dishes with agar ...[text shortened]... of each animal would also need to carry their diseases and parasites. Gawd. Imagine the fleas!
Assuming the water was deep enough to create the pressures ( for the sake of comity) , that makes for a pretty hot cup of tea.
not to mention a fairly large insulation problem. along with the fact that now Noah needs to bring on saltwater creatures too ..and clean cool water for both fresh and salt water creatures.
and he has to do this without further divine intervention because god had forgotten him. ( Yup, that's what the book says )
Btw what did the carnivores eat post flood while they waited out the herbivores gestation periods?
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14 Mar 05
Originally posted by AThousandYoungWell, concerning the different kinds of diseases, what about AIDS and SARS? They appeared pretty suddenly, won't you say? Didn't take millions of years to evolve... Don't you figure there could be a slight possibility that all these diseases could have appeared in a short time such as 4000 years?
ROFL!
Maybe the original blob of goo was also plagued by all kinds of pestilences.
14 Mar 05
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Originally posted by dj2beckerSo you are arguing that those virus' recently evolved?
Well, concerning the different kinds of diseases, what about AIDS and SARS? They appeared pretty suddenly, won't you say? Didn't take millions of years to evolve... Don't you figure there could be a slight possibility that all these di ...[text shortened]... original blob of goo was also plagued by all kinds of pestilences.
and that's because 2000 Kelvin would have sterilized the " original blob of goo".
either it was on the ark or it died ,, period. ,,no exceptions.,,,None.
14 Mar 05
Originally posted by dj2beckerAIDS and SARS have appeared suddenly only as human diseases. Who knows where they or their predecessor viruses were before that? Well, AIDS was almost certainly in it's ape resevoirs for quite a while before it began to infect humans.
Well, concerning the different kinds of diseases, what about AIDS and SARS? They appeared pretty suddenly, won't you say? Didn't take millions of years to evolve... Don't you figure there could be a slight possibility that all these diseases could have appeared in a short time such as 4000 years?
Maybe the original blob of goo was also plagued by all kinds of pestilences.