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Originally posted by lucifershammer
One in five girls and one in ten boys may be sexually abused in childhood (Finkelhor 1994).
Show me numbers that demonstrate that a 10% molestation rate among boys in the U.S. is accurate and not merely possible. I can't imagine that it is.

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Originally posted by DoctorScribbles
[b]It's a 25 year old local story, containing only allegations.

And this is different from the priest abuse cases - how?
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You really don't know? Because the major part of the Catholic scandal occured just a few years ago, it remains unresolved, and numerous priests have been convicted and numerous bishops have admitted to the charges ...[text shortened]... ounty without affecting my county's system. Not so for parishes under Cardinal Law and others.[/b]
Because the major part of the Catholic scandal occured just a few years ago

Check your data again.

it remains unresolved

In what sense?

numerous priests have been convicted and numerous bishops have admitted to the charges. Numerous legal settlements have occured. It's also a nationwide issue since the molestations have occurred nationwide.

None of which changes if you replace "priests" with "teachers" and "bishops" with "administrators".

There can be a raging sex scandal in the education system in a neighboring county without affecting my county's system.

1. You can replace "county" with "diocese" and the statement will still hold.
2. Teachers don't move between counties?

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Originally posted by DoctorScribbles
Show me numbers that demonstrate that a 10% molestation rate among boys in the U.S. is accurate and not merely possible. I can't imagine that it is.
I don't think "Have you been sexually molested as a child?" is going to be on the Census questionnaire.

Anyhow, here's another snippet:
In the adult retrosptective study, victimization was reported by 27 percent of the women and 16 percent of the men. The median age for the occurrence of reported abuse was 9.9 for boys and 9.6 for girls. Victimization occurred before age eight for 22 percent of boys and for 23 percent of girls. Most of the abuse of both boys and girls was by offenders 10 or more years older than their victims. Girls were more likely than boys to disclose the abuse. Forty-two percent of the women and thirty-three percent of the men reported never having disclosed the experience to anyone.
Source: Finkelhor et al., 1990.

http://www.prevent-abuse-now.com/stats.htm#Research

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Originally posted by DoctorScribbles
I've probably given 100 of them. I don't know where the rest came from.
A fair few are from me.

RBHILL, you have to buy drinks for the whole AA meeting now. Serves you right for suggesting rap.

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Originally posted by Nemesio
I'm interested in the 'with knowledge' part of it.

So the Church has said, vaguely, that the bishops 'are the ones...with knowledge who
allowed...'

Who are these Bishops (ahem, Law) and are they still employed by the Church (that
is, money put in Church coffers being used to pay for their living)?

You say Law is 'out of commission.' Sure, ...[text shortened]... ow different is this fromm Bishop Y, who
knowingly harbored and protected Father X?

Nemesio
You say Law is 'out of commission.' Sure, he has no meaningful role in shaping the life of the Church (thank goodness), but he still lives better than 85% of the world -- he lives in a house with heat, with plenty to eat, and with a job with no responsibilities.

Couldn't the same be said of the child sex offenders in US jails at the moment? If they are unemployed on release, do they not get State benefits? Isn't the money for this coming from your taxes?

EDIT: Although the Church should probably have suspended him just to make a point.

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The Good Doctor thinks that in priest populations,
there exist many prone to obscene molestations
(when compared to more homogenous groups
which exclude priests and leaders of Boy Scout troops).

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Originally posted by royalchicken
The Good Doctor thinks that in priest populations,
there exist many prone to obscene molestations
(when compared to more homogenous groups
which exclude priests and leaders of Boy Scout troops).
The Good Doctor is more prone to his emotions than he is willing to admit.

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Originally posted by lucifershammer
The Good Doctor is more prone to his emotions than he is willing to admit.
Are you suggesting
that Doc S represses his
fondled memories?

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Originally posted by royalchicken
Are you suggesting
that Doc S represses his
fondled memories?
Sorry, for a moment there I read "fond memories".

No - I think Dr.S. just has issues with the Catholic Church.

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Originally posted by royalchicken
Yo dawg, I'm Hroth with a problem fo' real:
I slamz eight pints instead of each meal!
I suck on tha tapz like succulent titties;
I've pissed on tha pavement in most major cities.

I collect ASBOS like sh1t collects flies
and hang 'em between all my old OUIs
and IOUs I find myself having to write.
Fo' rizzle, I'm so drunk my rhymes isn't t ...[text shortened]... y!
We'll be sober tomorrow, I swear that we will
but fo' sheezy tha next round is on RBHILL!
Fo sheezy my neezie, yo the program here to make life easy
Once upon a time it was liquor of the malt variety makin me queezy
Praise be to Bill W. I now have hope
Gone tha dayz of dealin my dope

I'm doin tha steps 1 through twelve
Though I admit numba 5 was pure hell
Gone tha dayz of pullin out my hair
Anotha day sober let's close wit tha Lord's prayer

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Originally posted by kirksey957
Fo sheezy my neezie, yo the program here to make life easy
Once upon a time it was liquor of the malt variety makin me queezy
Praise be to Bill W. I now have hope
Gone tha dayz of dealin my dope

I'm doin tha steps 1 through twelve
Though I admit numba 5 was pure hell
Gone tha dayz of pullin out my hair
Anotha day sober let's close wit tha Lord's prayer
Our Father, who art in tha sky
Saddens his heart to hear children cry
Men molest, which makes his heart soften
But it breaks when priests do it six times as often.

Ought not the priests serve as an example?
Even if one took a random sample
Of men who molest and the same for priests,
Is commensurate incidence the goal to meet?

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Originally posted by DoctorScribbles
Our Father, who art in tha sky
Saddens his heart to hear children cry
Men molest, which makes his heart soften
But it breaks when priests do it six times as often.
I thought it was 20.

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Originally posted by lucifershammer
And who, pray tell, accounts for the remaining 9.989 million?
Are morals relative? might ask the Lord.
With the Bible that is clearly not in accord.
Don't compare one wrong to a wrong that is greater.
Let he who's not sinful throw the first potater.

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Originally posted by lucifershammer
I thought it was 20.
I'm offering 6. Take it or leave it.

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Originally posted by royalchicken
The Good Doctor thinks that in priest populations,
there exist many prone to obscene molestations
(when compared to more homogenous groups
which exclude priests and leaders of Boy Scout troops).
The conclusion is more than mere speculation.
It's a consequence of two computations.
Divisions, that is, of those who molest
In equal parts among them plus the rest,

Followed by a comparison, quotient A to B.
The results are there for all to see.
4.3 is the quotient that's greater,
Which is to say eaten by the alligator.