Originally posted by @vivifyWhere does the Bible say the sun moves around the earth?
That's based on the chronological timeline of Jesus' lineage, from Adam to Jesus, who was said to have lived 2,000 years ago. If you think that's wrong, blame your fellow Christians, since they came up with that.
Sill, you're missing the point. The bible makes a lot of claims that were debunked by science: the global flood, the earth being created in ...[text shortened]... getting hung up on the YEC is more important than God commanding genocide and allowing slavery.
Originally posted by @romans1009You should take it up with the Christians you think are wrong.
Believe it or not, there are widely-held beliefs among Christians that contradict the Bible. The Catholic church has quite a few of them.
Originally posted by @fmfWrong again, tiger.
Millions upon millions of Christians disagree with you. I don't use that as an argumentum populum, but simply to point out that Christian beliefs about what the Bible indicates about the age of the earth - as referred to by vivify - are whatever Christians happen to believe about it. So, your attempted No True Scotsman - "Anybody who’s read the Bible would know that", where "know that" means 'they agree with you' ~ just doesn't wash.
Cite where the Bible says the earth is 6,000 years old.
Can’t do it? Didn’t think so.
Originally posted by @fmfRepeat after me:
All interpretation is, in a sense, manufactured. There are 40,000 or more Christian groups. Anytime someone takes an ancient mythology and extrapolates stuff from it, it involves interpretations being "manufactured".
The Bible doesn’t say the earth is 6,000 years old.
Ecclesiastes is in the Old Testament.
Originally posted by @fmfI accept your resignation.
You should take it up with the Christians you think are wrong.
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Originally posted by @romans1009vivify has already pointed out why it is that almost half of all American Christians believe that the Bible says that the world is only a few thousand years old. You should be engaging those 'almost half of all American Christians' rather than a couple of atheists that have no reason to believe that the Bible has any information whatsoever about the history of the earth.
Wrong again, tiger.
Cite where the Bible says the earth is 6,000 years old.
Can’t do it? Didn’t think so.
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Originally posted by @thinkofone
The fact of the matter is that under the system condoned by God there are two groups:
1) Hebrews that were indentured servents
2) Non-Hebrews that were permanent slaves.
Non-Hebrew slaves were not always permanent.
What was instituted was that the possession of the land God made hard to fall into the hands of foreigners, once they gained their freedom.
Keeping the possession of the land in the hands of the Israelites was built into the instructions of servitude of Non-Israelites.
It is only the Hebrew indentured servants that had protections such as " "the year of Jubilee", not being "ruled over ruthlessly", etc.
Your criticism doesn't work in principle because the oracles of Israel said the MAN was made in the image of God, not just Jews.
Now what OUGHT to have been and what WAS were not always the same. This you cannot blame on God who gave the law.
Job again, was a God fearing man and not a Jew. The book of Job was written around the time of the life of Abraham. So the theocratic state had not been really formed yet.
Did you give us an example from other ancient literature of a master's respectful regard for the divine equality ordained for a man's servant or maid ?
The non-Hebrews slaves were permanent that were considered "property" that could be passed on from generation to generation just as slaves were considered "property" in the antebellum South.
Foreigners who were captured in war and became slaves had the option of fully throwing in their lot with the Israelites. They could claim Yahweh as their God also and be integrated into the theocractic state.
Read the whole book of Ruth the Moabites.
Read about the ancestor of King David by the name of Rehab - a harlot from the cursed city of Jericho.
Employers employ employees. They don't "own" them.
Try slacking off on your time put in during your hours of employment BY them and see what they say.
You know it would be impossible for the American South to practice the slavery they did if, for instance, they executed kidnappers of men. Kidnapping was a capital offense in Israel.
"He who kidnaps a man, whether he sells him or he is found in his possession, shall surely be put to death." (Exodus 21:16)
Produce an anti-bellum notification stating as much for the US Slave Trade.
See if you can locate one equivalent to this:
"If a man is caught kidnapping any of his countrymen of the sons of Israel, and he deals with him violently or sells him, then that thief shall die, so you shall purge the evil from among you." ( Deut. 24:7)
You may protest that it says countrymen. Treating non-American African slaves is different. However, they knew that and that is why they had to violate God's word that all men are created in the image of God and relegate them to subhuman beasts of burden without human souls.
Originally posted by @romans1009What does this have to do with YEC beliefs about the Bible?
Ecclesiastes is in the Old Testament.
Originally posted by @fmfStop playing dumb, tiger. You know exactly what I’m talking about. That was the debate equivalent of blundering away your queen. I’m not surprised you’re pretending it didn’t happen.
What does this have to do with YEC beliefs about the Bible?
Originally posted by @romans1009Yes, Ecclesiastes is in the Old Testament. I've known that for almost 50 years, so what? What does it have to do with YEC beliefs?
Stop playing dumb, tiger. You know exactly what I’m talking about. That was the debate equivalent of blundering away your queen. I’m not surprised you’re pretending it didn’t happen.
Originally posted by @fmfWe all saw you blunder away your queen, tiger. It’s on the official scoresheet. No use trying to pretend it didn’t happen.
Yes, Ecclesiastes is in the Old Testament. I've known that for almost 50 years, so what? What does it have to do with YEC beliefs?
Originally posted by @romans1009Ecclesiastes is in the Old Testament. So what?
We all saw you blunder away your queen, tiger. It’s on the official scoresheet. No use trying to pretend it didn’t happen.
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I just noticed this about some connection between YEC and the book of Ecclesiastes.
Well, possibly there is this verse which says God has made it so that man cannot figure out what God has done from the beginning.
From the Amplified Bible - Ecclesiastes 3:11
Ecclesiastes 3:11 Amplified Bible (AMP)
God Set Eternity in the Heart of Man
11 He has made everything beautiful and appropriate in its time. He has also planted eternity [a sense of divine purpose] in the human heart [a mysterious longing which nothing under the sun can satisfy, except God]—yet man cannot find out (comprehend, grasp) what God has done (His overall plan) from the beginning to the end.
Without His revelation, there are some things we could never know.
I sometimes think of this verse when I contemplate how mysterious the origin of the universe is.
same passage:
King James 2000 Bible
He has made every thing beautiful in its time: also he has put eternity in men's hearts, so that no man can find out the work that God does from the beginning to the end.
Originally posted by @sonshipMaybe that verse is why FMF thought Ecclesiastes was in the New Testament.
I just noticed this about some connection between YEC and the book of [b]Ecclesiastes.
Well, possibly there is this verse which says God has made it so that man cannot figure out what God has done from the beginning.
From the Amplified Bible - Ecclesiastes 3:11
[quote] Ecclesiastes 3:11 Amplified Bible (AMP)
God Set Eternity in the Hear ...[text shortened]... I sometimes think of this verse when I contemplate how mysterious the origin of the universe is.[/b]