Originally posted by @romans1009I don't think seeking to speak on behalf of YEC Christians is the way for you to go on this. Just confront them, or ignore them. Don't try to "concede" stuff on their behalf.
YEC concede this and that the 6,000-year-old figure is manufactured.
Originally posted by @fmfYes, Christians, we should fight YEC people.
I don't think seeking to speak on behalf of YEC Christians is the way for you to go on this. Just confront them, or ignore them. Don't try to "concede" stuff on their behalf.
We need to spend more time attacking each other, especially extreme minorities, while we continue to bulldoze western civilization and encourage postmodernism via major media.
Great suggestion.
Originally posted by @philokaliaIf Romans1009 had spent the time he has here ~ blithering on about the Bible to a couple of atheists ~ discussing it with YEC Christians instead, it might have made sense. I don't think the world is a few thousand years old. vivfy doesn't think the world is a few thousand years old. Romans1009 doesn't think the world is a few thousand years old. However, almost half of all American Christians ~ not an "extreme minority" ~ believe that the Bible indicates that the world is a few thousand years old. Romans1009 is droning on at the wrong audience.
Yes, Christians, we should fight YEC people.
We need to spend more time attacking each other, especially extreme minorities, while we continue to bulldoze western civilization and encourage postmodernism via major media.
Great suggestion.
Originally posted by @philokaliaThank you for your suggestion.
My suggestion for FMF: spend more time attacking atheists on their unfair caricatures of the religious.
Why attack a minority opinion.
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Originally posted by @romans1009That's based on the chronological timeline of Jesus' lineage, from Adam to Jesus, who was said to have lived 2,000 years ago. If you think that's wrong, blame your fellow Christians, since they came up with that.
So your answer is the Bible doesn’t say the earth is 6,000 years old.
Why not just be honest and admit it? I was going to address your other points after I got the easy one out of the way first.
Sill, you're missing the point. The bible makes a lot of claims that were debunked by science: the global flood, the earth being created in six days, man turning to dust after death, humans suddenly appearing on earth (when science says humans evolved), that the earth has "corners", that the sun moves around the earth....etc., etc., etc.
But yeah, getting hung up on the YEC is more important than God commanding genocide and allowing slavery.
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Originally posted by @sonshipThe fact of the matter is that under the system condoned by God there are two groups:
Humans owning other humans is a fact of history.
The New York Yankees own its baseball players.
The Employer owns its employees.
The parents own their children.
The children own their parents.
And the Israelites own indentured servants.
Though Leviticus speaks of their owning "slaves" in this sense the ownership:
[b]1.) Was not an abroga ...[text shortened]... apostleship.
i am not finished writing here. But that is all the time I have at this moment.[/b]
1) Hebrews that were indentured servents
2) Non-Hebrews that were permanent slaves.
It is only the Hebrew indentured servants that had protections such as " "the year of Jubilee", not being "ruled over ruthlessly", etc.
The non-Hebrews slaves were permanent that were considered "property" that could be passed on from generation to generation just as slaves were considered "property" in the antebellum South.
The New York Yankees own its baseball players.
The Employer owns its employees.
What complete and utter nonsense. I know you don't want to think of God as condoning slavery as it was in the antebellum South. but c'mon. Employers employ employees. They don't "own" them.
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Originally posted by @fmfI’ve discussed this on other forums. The Bible does not say the earth is 6,000 years old and, in fact, gives no figure for the age of the earth. No YEC I’ve spoken to disagrees with that.
I don't think seeking to speak on behalf of YEC Christians is the way for you to go on this. Just confront them, or ignore them. Don't try to "concede" stuff on their behalf.
Anybody who’s read the Bible would know that.
Just as anybody who’s read the Bible would know Ecclesiastes is in the Old Testament <wink, wink>
Originally posted by @fmfvivify didn’t say the Bible *indicates* the earth is 6,000 years old. He falsely claimed the Bible said it is 6,000 years old.
If Romans1009 had spent the time he has here ~ blithering on about the Bible to a couple of atheists ~ discussing it with YEC Christians instead, it might have made sense. I don't think the world is a few thousand years old. vivfy doesn't think the world is a few thousand years old. Romans1009 doesn't think the world is a few thousand years old. However, almost ...[text shortened]... ates that the world is a few thousand years old. Romans1009 is droning on at the wrong audience.
Big difference, kiddo.
Originally posted by @romans1009Millions upon millions of Christians disagree with you. I don't use that as an argumentum populum, but simply to point out that Christian beliefs about what the Bible indicates about the age of the earth - as referred to by vivify - are whatever Christians happen to believe about it. So, your attempted No True Scotsman - "Anybody who’s read the Bible would know that", where "know that" means 'they agree with you' ~ just doesn't wash.
I’ve discussed this on other forums. The Bible does not say the earth is 6,000 years old and, in fact, gives no figure for the age of the earth. No YEC I’ve spoken to disagrees with that.
Anybody who’s read the Bible would know that.
Just as anybody who’s read the Bible would know Ecclesiastes is in the Old Testament <wink, wink>
Originally posted by @vivifyNone of what you wrote is accurate but you won’t even admit you were dead wrong in claiming the Bible said the earth was 6,000 years old. It doesn’t say that. The 6,000-year figure is manufactured.
That's based on the chronological timeline of Jesus' lineage, from Adam to Jesus, who was said to have lived 2,000 years ago. If you think that's wrong, blame your fellow Christians, since they came up with that.
Sill, you're missing the point. The bible makes a lot of claims that were debunked by science: the global flood, the earth being created in ...[text shortened]... getting hung up on the YEC is more important than God commanding genocide and allowing slavery.
Try trolling for material on a better atheist website. The one you’re using is a dog.
Originally posted by @romans1009It's a widely held Christian belief which you are well within your rights to disagree with. You ought to be addressing the people who hold the belief.
vivify didn’t say the Bible *indicates* the earth is 6,000 years old. He falsely claimed the Bible said it is 6,000 years old.
Originally posted by @vivifyGod “allowing slavery?”
That's based on the chronological timeline of Jesus' lineage, from Adam to Jesus, who was said to have lived 2,000 years ago. If you think that's wrong, blame your fellow Christians, since they came up with that.
Sill, you're missing the point. The bible makes a lot of claims that were debunked by science: the global flood, the earth being created in ...[text shortened]... getting hung up on the YEC is more important than God commanding genocide and allowing slavery.
God gave humans free will, kiddo. Or didn’t the atheist website you’re trolling on say that?
Commanded genocide? Does the atheist website provide verses?
Originally posted by @romans1009All interpretation is, in a sense, manufactured. There are 40,000 or more Christian groups. Anytime someone takes an ancient mythology and extrapolates stuff from it, it involves interpretations being "manufactured".
The 6,000-year figure is manufactured.
Originally posted by @fmfBelieve it or not, there are widely-held beliefs among Christians that contradict the Bible. The Catholic church has quite a few of them.
It's a widely held Christian belief which you are well within your rights to disagree with. You ought to be addressing the people who hold the belief.