rebirth in Christianity

Originally posted by Agerg
You cheapen the notion of loving someone when it applies to complete strangers with whom you have had practically zero interaction.

Only way one is a stranger, even that of what are called "kin" is if one has not seen or heard from in a long while, and huhuh yes, it has been a rather long time indeed! lol

Originally posted by Agerg
Meh...if someone was to suggest that tacoandlettuce was a sockpuppet of vishvahetu or his little brother you'd get no arguments from me. :]

You cant accept the fact that maybe, just maybe, theres truth to what i say, and if there is one other person that can understand,.....then its a conspiracy.

Actually there are millions of persons who know what i am saying, but they are not to be found in this forum. (except for a few)

I have never met Taco or know of him, but he sees clearly.

Atheism has stolen your intelligence, and the dream world has bedazzled you.

vishva

Originally posted by Agerg
You cheapen the notion of loving someone when it applies to complete strangers with whom you have had practically zero interaction.

There is no real love in this world, except spiritual love......and the love of one bag of chemicals you call the body, towards another bag of chemicals called the other body is artificial love.

Taco,s love is directed towards the real you, you soul self, not your body.

vishva

Originally posted by vishvahetu
There is no real love in this world, except spiritual love......and the love of one bag of chemicals you call the body, towards another bag of chemicals called the other body is artificial love.

Taco,s love is directed towards the real you, you soul self, not your body.

vishva

amen

Originally posted by vishvahetu
the love of one bag of chemicals you call the body, towards another bag of chemicals called the other body is artificial love.

Then there's no love at all.

Originally posted by vishvahetu
Look at the world we live in, suffering to the left, and suffering to the right....it is a nightmare.

The fact that it's nightmarish doesn't mean, that we are living in a dream.
There are differences too. When dreaming, we can make anything happen, but in this world -when we're awaken- we can't.

Originally posted by Thomaster
Then there's no love at all.

Not in this world......but the closest thing to real love in this world, is the selfless love towards a baby by its mother.

vishva

Originally posted by vishvahetu
Not in this world......but the closest thing to real love in this world, is the selfless love towards a baby by its mother.

vishva

Why is a mother's love towards her baby more/better love than any other kind of love?
How do you define ''real'' love?

Originally posted by Thomaster
The fact that it's nightmarish doesn't mean, that we are living in a dream.
There are differences too. When dreaming, we can make anything happen, but in this world -when we're awaken- we can't.

God creates everything perfectly, so this world of birth, death, disease and old age,....and crime and earthquakes etc, are things that can only operate in an illusion (dream), not in an absolute reality.

In a dream, the Nijas are chasing you, why cant you stop them....you said you can make anything happen.

vishva

God creates everything perfectly

Still, god managed to create imperfectly sleeping souls.

The universe I live in now, is imperfect, for many people suffer.
This means, that god either created an imperfect universe, or that the universe wasn't created by god.

Originally posted by Thomaster
Why is a mother's love towards her baby more/better love than any other kind of love?
How do you define ''real'' love?

The love a mother has for its baby, is the closest thing to pure love, because the mother doesn,t want anything from the baby, except to care an give it her affection. (its unconditional to a certain degree)

All other love is conditional, and a man will say I will love you to his girl friend, but she must love him back....this sought of love is conditional and is really lust.

Spiritual love is pure, and is at its highest when it is not conditional.

vishva

AMEN

Originally posted by vishvahetu
The love a mother has for its baby, is the closest thing to pure love, because the mother doesn,t want anything from the baby, except to care an give it her affection. (its unconditional to a certain degree)

All other love is conditional, and a man will say I will love you to his girl friend, but she must love him back....this sought of love is conditi ...[text shortened]... lly lust.

Spiritual love is pure, and is at its highest when it is not conditional.

vishva

So actually, only very naive people can feel real love. I can hardly agree with this, because I see no reason to rate unconditional love higher or purer than conditional love.

I'd rather say the opposite. At some point, it isn't good anymore to love someone (if he behaves too badly). Love can break people if they get nothing back for too long.

Originally posted by Thomaster
God creates everything perfectly

Still, god managed to create imperfectly sleeping souls.

The universe I live in now, is imperfect, for many people suffer.
This means, that god either created an imperfect universe, or that the universe wasn't created by god.

The fact that we souls are sleeping, and dreaming all this up, is not a fault with God, but is the perfection of God, because a world of suffering can only be possible in a state of unreality....it could never be a real absolute reality.

The souls are sleeping in the first place, because they wanted independance from God, and because there is no such living state as being independant of God, then the illusionary world had to come into existance.

The reason why we could never be independant from God, is that we (the soul) is a little piece of God,....and God cannot seperate God from Gods/self.

So there could only ever be an illusion of seperatedness.

As far as the suffering goes in this world, as long as you believe this world is an absolute reality, then you will suffer.....but the self realized enlightened soul, doesnt suffer as the common person, because he is aware of the illusion, and the illusion has less impact upon his/her life.

When one fully understands and can see the illusion for what it is, and developes attraction to God, then they may return back to their origional spiritual home, and wake up from the dream world.

vishva

Yes, as a ray is ONE with the sun, yet not THE sun, so are we ONE WITH the CREATOR OF ALL LIFE, ~regardless~ if we bind ourselves (block the sunlight of our conscious view to such) from this UNDERSTANDING...

Wow, am I so very glad to meet your acquaintance, vishva..

You have already given me much comfort that I have been seeking of another being so enlightened... God BLESS you, my friend! =]