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    14 Feb '18 06:48
    Originally posted by @romans1009
    Wrong. The word was “are.”
    You're right. So, you think Rajk999 is one of the "God haters". Who are the others?
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    14 Feb '18 06:58
    Originally posted by @rajk999
    An atheist is one who professes no belief or faith. A Red-Letter Atheist [RLA] is one who understands the teachings of Christ and who in their daily lives put into practice many of these principles.

    A Christian is one who professes belief / faith in God. A Black Letter Christian [BLC] is one who does not acknowledge the teachings of Christ claiming that ...[text shortened]... le with Christ. No argument there.

    Who will fare better on judgment day? The RLAs of BLCs ?
    Serious question, are you are RLA?
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    14 Feb '18 08:55
    Originally posted by @dj2becker
    Serious question, are you are RLA?
    are you *a RLA?
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    14 Feb '18 10:21
    Originally posted by @fmf
    You are lying. Top of page 4 on Thread 175846.
    It was the post immediately preceding. I had forgotten that the excerpted post started on a new page. Can you ever forgive me?
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    14 Feb '18 10:26
    Originally posted by @romans1009
    It was the post immediately preceding. I had forgotten that the excerpted post started on a new page. Can you ever forgive me?
    And your calling me a “liar” because of that is itself a lie because I was simply and only mistaken. “Lying” requires intentional deception, something you have more than a passing acquaintance with.

    But it’s interesting you chose to spend time searching for that post. You really think this nonsensical banter matters?
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    14 Feb '18 10:43
    Originally posted by @romans1009
    And your calling me a “liar” because of that is itself a lie because I was simply and only mistaken. “Lying” requires intentional deception, something you have more than a passing acquaintance with.
    The reason you were called out for doctoring the sentence you were quoting is found in the subsequent posts on that thread. Clearly what you did was deliberate. If you had not deleted words from the sentence you were supposedly replying to, it would have made you look even more foolish.
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    14 Feb '18 10:53
    Originally posted by @fmf
    The reason you were called out for doctoring the sentence you were quoting is found in the subsequent posts on that thread. Clearly what you did was deliberate. If you had not deleted words from the sentence you were supposedly replying to, it would have made you look even more foolish.
    Whatever. I was, to use your vernacular, just “calling it as I saw it.”
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    14 Feb '18 11:29
    Originally posted by @romans1009
    <<They have the light of Christ in them.
    All people have this light in them.>>

    So even people who reject Christ have this light in them? Where in the Bible does it say that?

    And not everyone will be saved. So, according to what you wrote, some people who have the light of Christ in them (because everyone does, according to you) will be damned.

    ...[text shortened]... t in them.

    Not to be blunt, but you’re a Christ hater (or a Christ blasphemer if you prefer.)
    [ Jesus] was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
    (John 1:9 KJV)


    Not everyone that has the light of Christ will enter the Kingdom of God.
    But all those who follow his commandments will.
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    14 Feb '18 12:00
    Originally posted by @rajk999
    [ Jesus] was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
    (John 1:9 KJV)


    Not everyone that has the light of Christ will enter the Kingdom of God.
    But all those who follow his commandments will.
    <<b][i][ Jesus] was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.>>

    That’s a tortured and incorrect interpretation, imo. How is lighting every man the same as indwelling every man or the same as man possessing the light?

    <<Not everyone that has the light of Christ will enter the Kingdom of God.>>

    Everyone that has God’s Holy Spirit will enter the Kingdom of God because they have believed in Christ and their sins have been forgiven by His blood.

    Those who have accepted Christ and consequently received the indwelling of God’s Holy Spirit will naturally do good works. But good works are not a requirement for salvation. Salvation is irreversibly obtained once someone believes in Jesus Christ in their heart (a strong, sincere, committed and self-sacrificing belief.)
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    14 Feb '18 12:07
    Originally posted by @romans1009
    <<b][i][ Jesus] was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.>>

    That’s a tortured and incorrect interpretation, imo. How is lighting every man the same as indwelling every man or the same as man possessing the light?

    <<Not everyone that has the light of Christ will enter the Kingdom of God.>>

    Everyone that has God’s Ho ...[text shortened]... ieves in Jesus Christ in their heart (a strong, sincere, committed and self-sacrificing belief.)
    For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
    (Hebrews 6:4-6 KJV)


    Got Holy Spirit = Eternal Life?
    No says Paul.

    Only those who do not fall away.
    Fall away means going astray = doing evil and sin = not following the commandments
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    14 Feb '18 12:29
    Originally posted by @rajk999
    [i]For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open ...[text shortened]... t fall away.
    Fall away means going astray = doing evil and sin = not following the commandments
    Check out this answer and I’ll offer my own thoughts in a separate post:

    Question: "Does Hebrews 6:4-6 mean we can lose our salvation?"

    Answer: Hebrews 6:4-6 states, “For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame.” This is one of the Bible’s most difficult passages to interpret, but one thing is clear—it does not teach that we can lose our salvation. There are two valid ways of looking at these verses:

    One interpretation holds that this passage is written not about Christians but about unbelievers who are convinced of the basic truths of the gospel but who have not placed their faith in Jesus Christ as Savior. They are intellectually persuaded but spiritually uncommitted.

    According to this interpretation, the phrase “once enlightened” (verse 4) refers to some level of instruction in biblical truth. However, understanding the words of scripture is not the same as being regenerated by the Holy Spirit. For example, John 1:9 describes Jesus, the “true Light,” giving light “to every man”; but this cannot mean the light of salvation, because not every man is saved. Through God’s sovereign power, every man has enough light to be held responsible. This light either leads to the complete acceptance of Jesus Christ or produces condemnation in those who reject such light. The people described in Hebrews 6:4-6 are of the latter group—unbelievers who have been exposed to God’s redemptive truth and perhaps have made a profession of faith, but have not exercised genuine saving faith.

    This interpretation also sees the phrase “tasted the heavenly gift” (Hebrews 6:9) as referring to a momentary experience, akin to Jesus’ “tasting” death (Hebrews 2:9). This brief experience with the heavenly gift is not seen as equivalent to salvation; rather, it is likened to the second and third soils in Jesus’ parable (Matthew 13:3-23), which describes people who receive the truth of the gospel but are not truly saved.

    Finally, this interpretation sees the “falling away” (Hebrews 6:6) as a reference to those who have tasted the truth but, not having come all the way to faith, fall away from even the revelation they have been given. The tasting of truth is not enough to keep them from falling away from it. They must come all the way to Christ in complete repentance and faith; otherwise, they in effect re-crucify Christ and treat Him contemptuously. Those who sin against Christ in such a way have no hope of restoration or forgiveness because they reject Him with full knowledge and conscious experience. They have concluded that Jesus should have been crucified, and they stand with His enemies. It is impossible to renew such to repentance.

    The other interpretation holds that this passage is written about Christians, and that the phrases “partakers of the Holy Ghost,” “enlightened,” and “tasted of the heavenly gift” are all descriptions of true believers.

    According to this interpretation, the key word in the passage is if (verse 6). The writer of Hebrews is setting up a hypothetical statement: “IF a Christian were to fall away . . .” The point being made is that it would be impossible (IF a Christian falls away) to renew salvation. That’s because Christ died once for sin (Hebrews 9:28), and if His sacrifice is insufficient, then there’s no hope at all.

    The passage, therefore, presents an argument based on a false premise (that a true Christian can fall away) and follows it to its senseless conclusion (that Jesus would have to be sacrificed again and again). The absurdity of the conclusion points up the impossibility of the original assumption. This reasoning is called reductio ad absurdum, in which a premise is disproved by showing that it logically leads to an absurdity.

    Both of these interpretations support the security of the believer in Christ. The first interpretation presents unbelievers rejecting Christ and thereby losing their chance of salvation; the second interpretation presents the very idea of believers losing salvation as impossible. Many scriptures make it abundantly clear that salvation is eternal (John 10:27-29; Romans 8:35, 38-39; Philippians 1:6; 1 Peter 1:4-5), and Hebrews 6:4-6 confirms that doctrine.

    From gotquestions.org
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    14 Feb '18 12:34
    Originally posted by @romans1009
    Check out this answer and I’ll offer my own thoughts in a separate post:

    Question: "Does Hebrews 6:4-6 mean we can lose our salvation?"

    Answer: Hebrews 6:4-6 states, “For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the good word of God and the ...[text shortened]... lippians 1:6; 1 Peter 1:4-5), and Hebrews 6:4-6 confirms that doctrine.

    From gotquestions.org
    Cut and paste rubuttal of Paul? Wont waste time reading that.
    Here is another for you to find and cut and past rebuttal:

    If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
    If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
    Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
    If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are. (1 Corinthians 3:14-17 KJV)


    Here Paul address born-again Christian Saints in whom Gods Spirit dwells [ie the Holy Spirit]. Paul is clear that if they defile themselves THEY WILL BE DESTROYED... like Annanias and Sapphira.

    Lets see a cut and paste rebuttal of this one.
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    14 Feb '18 12:53
    Originally posted by @rajk999
    Cut and paste rubuttal of Paul? Wont waste time reading that.
    Here is another for you to find and cut and past rebuttal:

    [i]If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
    If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
    Know ye not that ye are the temple ...[text shortened]... E DESTROYED... like Annanias and Sapphira.


    Lets see a cut and paste rebuttal of this one.[/b]
    I already addressed Annanias and Sapphira. You don’t remember? Yes, God killed them for lying to the Holy Spirit as an example to early Christians, but where in the Bible does it say they lost their salvation?
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    14 Feb '18 12:56
    Originally posted by @rajk999
    Cut and paste rubuttal of Paul? Wont waste time reading that.
    Here is another for you to find and cut and past rebuttal:

    [i]If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
    If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
    Know ye not that ye are the temple ...[text shortened]... E DESTROYED... like Annanias and Sapphira.


    Lets see a cut and paste rebuttal of this one.[/b]
    Does destroyed mean lose their salvation? And what, in your view, qualifies as “defiling?” If you think it’s sinning, then God would have destroyed everyone because everyone - even you! - sins.
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    14 Feb '18 12:56
    Originally posted by @rajk999
    Cut and paste rubuttal of Paul? Wont waste time reading that.
    Here is another for you to find and cut and past rebuttal:

    [i]If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
    If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
    Know ye not that ye are the temple ...[text shortened]... E DESTROYED... like Annanias and Sapphira.


    Lets see a cut and paste rebuttal of this one.[/b]
    No need for a copy-and-paste rebuttal on this one; this one was easy.
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