1. Standard memberEAPOE
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    11 Feb '06 05:26
    Christianity holds the belief that Jesus is the son of god.

    Islam acknowledges Jesus as a profit but a human being (mortal) not the son of god.

    However there is a simple logical paradox.

    Each system of belief in order to maintain its own validity must to refute the validity of the other (at least on this unavoidable and profound point).

    We are right therefore you must be wrong argument.

    So one belief has to be null. A fallacy but which one?

    This is the obvious paradox.

    Belief closes the mind.
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    11 Feb '06 05:44
    Originally posted by EAPOE
    Christianity holds the belief that Jesus is the son of god.

    Islam acknowledges Jesus as a profit but a human being (mortal) not the son of god.

    However there is a simple logical paradox.

    Each system of belief in order to maintain its own validity must to refute the validity of the other (at least on this unavoidable and profound point).

    We are ri ...[text shortened]... to be null. A fallacy but which one?

    This is the obvious paradox.

    Belief closes the mind.
    You missed the possibility that BOTH of them are wrong.
  3. Standard memberEAPOE
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    11 Feb '06 05:52
    That was the paradox.

    In terms of definition they must both be wrong!!!!!!!!!
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    You may have simply stumbled onto something. Either that, or you may have simply stumbled. That, or you simply are something. That, or you are simple.
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    11 Feb '06 07:13
    Originally posted by EAPOE
    That was the paradox.

    In terms of definition they must both be wrong!!!!!!!!!
    In terms of definition they must both be wrong!!!!!!!!!

    Really? You exhibit strange logic, oh great one. Would you care to demonstrate how they are both wrong due to their claim of exclusive truth?
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    11 Feb '06 16:18
    Originally posted by Halitose
    [b]In terms of definition they must both be wrong!!!!!!!!!

    Really? You exhibit strange logic, oh great one. Would you care to demonstrate how they are both wrong due to their claim of exclusive truth?[/b]
    Sorry, they can't do that, HAL. That would require some form of absolute truth.
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    11 Feb '06 17:01
    Originally posted by FreakyKBH
    You may have simply stumbled onto something. Either that, or you may have simply stumbled. That, or you simply are something. That, or you are simple.
    Rec'd you....I think you hit the nail on the head.🙂
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    11 Feb '06 17:58
    Originally posted by EAPOE
    Christianity holds the belief that Jesus is the son of god.

    Islam acknowledges Jesus as a profit but a human being (mortal) not the son of god.

    However there is a simple logical paradox.

    Each system of belief in order to maintain its own validity must to refute the validity of the other (at least on this unavoidable and profound point).

    We are ri ...[text shortened]... to be null. A fallacy but which one?

    This is the obvious paradox.

    Belief closes the mind.
    By your logic.

    One person tells me if I water my plant it will live.

    Another person tells me if I water my plant it will die.

    They cannot both be right. So they are both wrong.

    Think about things before you say them.
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    11 Feb '06 18:081 edit
    Originally posted by EAPOE
    Christianity holds the belief that Jesus is the son of god.

    Islam acknowledges Jesus as a profit but a human being (mortal) not the son of god.

    However there is a simple logical paradox.

    Each system of belief in order to maintain its own validity must to refute the validity of the other (at least on this unavoidable and profound point).

    We are ri ...[text shortened]... to be null. A fallacy but which one?

    This is the obvious paradox.

    Belief closes the mind.
    their big problem is that they have to out-do the opposition.
    they have to be the only/right one, they are all the same.
    it is totally naive, like a bunch of two year olds, how can intelligent people go for it? ( anyone seen The Life of Brian? ).
    but belief needn't close the mind.
    there is always the possibility that one day mankind will grow up, although it seems to me that some groups are far behind others in terms of intellectual and cultural evolution
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    11 Feb '06 18:12
    Originally posted by EAPOE
    Christianity holds the belief that Jesus is the son of god.

    Islam acknowledges Jesus as a profit but a human being (mortal) not the son of god.

    However there is a simple logical paradox.

    Each system of belief in order to maintain its own validity must to refute the validity of the other (at least on this unavoidable and profound point).

    We are ri ...[text shortened]... to be null. A fallacy but which one?

    This is the obvious paradox.

    Belief closes the mind.
    LOL You would like it to be that easy, wouldn't you. That would certainly ease your conscience. But lets look at the topic.
    In the Bible, Jesus positioned Himself equal to God (that's why they killed Him, for blasphemy). That claim was either true or not.
    If true, He deserves to be worshipped as God.
    If false, He either knew it was false or He didn't.
    If He didn't know His own claim was false, then He's a lunatic, on par with one who claims to be a baked potatoe.
    If He knew His claims were false, He'd be demonic, allowing people to worship Him and telling them He's the way to heaven when in truth He was an ordinary man.
    So, logic says Jesus was either Lord, a lunatic, or a demon. The position that He was a good moral teacher (a prophet) isn't an option Jesus left us.

    Which do you say He is?

    DF
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    11 Feb '06 19:12
    Originally posted by FreakyKBH
    Sorry, they can't do that, HAL. That would require some form of absolute truth.
    Forgot I need to have my feet firmly planted in midair.
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    11 Feb '06 22:01
    Originally posted by DragonFriend

    Which do you say He is?

    DF
    One says he is a prophet.
    One says he is God,
    It doesn't matter how your bible represents him, it could be wrong!

    Hence, there is a contradiction between the two.

    How do you know which one is right?
    You can't. You just believe and hope your right. Or you do the sane thing and leave the two alone.
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    11 Feb '06 22:13
    Originally posted by eamondo
    their big problem is that they have to out-do the opposition.
    they have to be the only/right one, they are all the same.
    it is totally naive, like a bunch of two year olds, how can intelligent people go for it? ( anyone seen The Life of Brian? ).
    but belief needn't close the mind.
    there is always the possibility that one day mankind will grow up, althou ...[text shortened]... ms to me that some groups are far behind others in terms of intellectual and cultural evolution
    What do you mean, they have to out-do the opposition? Christianity existed before Islam, and thus did not exist simply to out-do some other religion. The early followers were Jewish men and women who felt that this Way and their religion were not mutually exclusive.
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    11 Feb '06 22:17
    Originally posted by Conrau K
    One says he is a prophet.
    One says he is God,
    It doesn't matter how your bible represents him, it could be wrong!

    Hence, there is a contradiction between the two.

    How do you know which one is right?
    You can't. You just believe and hope your right. Or you do the sane thing and leave the two alone.
    One say a market economy is good and everyone of a certain age of maturity should vote for their leaders and women get to make their own choices and decisions. Another says that both voting and a market economy are overrated and women should be beaten if you can see their face. There is a contradiction between the two and they can't both be right. So I take it you've solved the problem in the *sane* way by moving to an island and eating leaves rather than forming an opinion about which is right and living accordingly?
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    11 Feb '06 23:57
    Originally posted by Conrau K
    One says he is a prophet.
    One says he is God,
    It doesn't matter how your bible represents him, it could be wrong!

    Hence, there is a contradiction between the two.

    How do you know which one is right?
    You can't. You just believe and hope your right. Or you do the sane thing and leave the two alone.
    That's the problem with the skeptical approach. It doesn't ever seem to look at the whole picture, just a portion of it here and a portion there and then stands firmly on words like 'could' and 'might'.
    Look at the life Jesus lived and answer the question. Was he actually God, a lunatic, or a demon?
    Or is the answer scarrier to the skeptic than the question.

    DF
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