Resurrection verses Reincarnation

Originally posted by sonship
Matthew in particular speaks of other of the Old Testament saints he says rose from the dead and appeared in the city of Jerusalem after Jesus rose.

And what evidence of this happening is there?

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...I would be as likely to engage with you intellectually, as I would to be cross the road and piss on your head if your hair was on fire.
Says the guy who is not only engaging him (if not overly intellectual in the process) AND pissing on him.

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Says the guy who is demonstrably humble himself? 🙄

Originally posted by Ghost of a Duke
Please provide the evidence you spoke of for the Resurrection, which according to you, outweighs that of Reincarnation.

Yes, the Resurrection was written about in the Gospels. Is that the sole basis of your 'evidence?' If so, does that mean anything written down (ever) is consequently to be considered evidence?

And you asked for information on ...[text shortened]... on. Did you even bother to follow the link I provided in the OP, or were your words just hollow?

If you are genuinely interested in the evidence have a look at this link:

https://www.josh.org/wp-content/uploads/Evidence-For-The-Resurrection.pdf

I find it interesting that you are willing to consider people's claims about what happened in their own minds as evidence for reincarnation yet you readily dismiss all evidence of the resurrection.

Originally posted by dj2becker
If you are genuinely interested in the evidence have a look at this link:

https://www.josh.org/wp-content/uploads/Evidence-For-The-Resurrection.pdf

I find it interesting that you are willing to consider people's claims about what happened in their own minds as evidence for reincarnation yet you readily dismiss all evidence of the resurrection.

You said you had 500 eyewitness accounts but then refused to show me any of them. Have you withdrawn the claim?

Originally posted by FMF
You said you had 500 eyewitness accounts but then refused to show me any of them. Have you withdrawn the claim?

From the link I gave ghost:

One of the earliest records of Christ's appearing after the resurrection is by Paul. The apostle appealed to his audience's knowledge of the fact that Christ had been seen by more than 500 people at one time. Paul reminded them that the majority of those people were still alive and could be questioned. Dr. Edwin M. Yamauchi, Associate Professor of History at Miami University in Oxford, Ohio, emphasizes: "What gives a special authority to the list (of witnesses) as historical evidence is the reference to most of the five hundred brethren being still alive. St. Paul says in effect, 'If you do not believe me, you can ask them.' Such a statement in an admittedly genuine letter written within 30 years of the event is almost as strong evidence as one could hope to get for something that happened nearly two thousand years ago. Let's take the more than 500 witnesses who saw Jesus alive after His death and burial and place them in a courtroom. Do you realize that if each of those 500 people were to testify for only six minutes, including cross-examination, you would have an amazing 50 hours of firsthand testimony? Add to this the testimony of many other eyewitnesses and you would well have the largest and most lopsided trial in history"

Originally posted by dj2becker
From the link I gave ghost:

One of the earliest records of Christ's appearing after the resurrection is by Paul. The apostle appealed to his audience's knowledge of the fact that Christ had been seen by more than 500 people at one time. Paul reminded them that the majority of
those people were still alive and could be questioned. Dr. Edwin M. Yamauchi ...[text shortened]... any other eyewitnesses and you
would well have the largest and most
lopsided trial in history"

So you don't have 500 eye witness accounts after all.

Originally posted by FMF
So you don't have 500 eye witness accounts after all.

Yeah I guess you are in a better position than an Associate Professor of History to judge the legitimacy of historical evidence. 🙄

Originally posted by dj2becker
Yeah I guess you are in a better position than an Associate Professor of History to judge the legitimacy of historical evidence. 🙄

Your "Associate Professor of History" doesn't have 500 eye witness accounts either, and he wouldn't have passed any history exams or gained any of his qualifications in history by pretending that he did, regardless of how much attention he gets for making the claim when he's wearing his evangelical hat.

Originally posted by FMF
Your "Associate Professor of History" doesn't have 500 eye witness accounts either, and he wouldn't have passed any history exams or gained any of his qualifications in history by pretending that he did, regardless of how much attention he gets for making the claim when he's wearing his evangelical hat.

Sure if you don't want to believe that Jesus appeared to 500 witnesses at once that is your choice. Many people who have a better working knowledge of history and what suffices as historical evidence believe it is not unreasonable to believe he did.

And besides the 500 witnesses is merely one pebble in a mountain of evidence.

Originally posted by dj2becker
Sure if you don't want to believe that Jesus appeared to 500 witnesses at once that is your choice. Many people who have a better working knowledge of history and what suffices as historical evidence believe it is not unreasonable to believe he did.

Many people who have a better working knowledge of history and what suffices as historical evidence believe it is not unreasonable to believe he did.

No they don't. If they do so, then they do so as an upshot of their Christian faith and superstition. They do not do so legitimately in their capacity as professional historians. Even someone testifying today - 15th May 2017 - about an event that took place yesterday - 14th May 2017 - would not create evidence of 500 people witnessing something by simply claiming they had done so without proof or corroboration.

Originally posted by dj2becker
And besides the 500 witnesses is merely one pebble in a mountain of evidence.

So have you withdrawn your claim that there are 500 witness accounts?

Originally posted by FMF
[b]Many people who have a better working knowledge of history and what suffices as historical evidence believe it is not unreasonable to believe he did.

No they don't. If they do so, then they do so as an upshot of their Christian faith and superstition. They do not do so legitimately in their capacity as professional historians. Even someone testifying t ...[text shortened]... people witnessing something by simply claiming they had done so without proof or corroboration.[/b]

Of course you will say that any historian who believes there is reasonable evidence for the resurrection does so because of their Christian faith and superstition. You don't know this to be a fact yet you choose to believe so. What about all the atheists who have made it their life ambition to disprove Christianity, who went and studied the evidence with the intention of invalidating it, and became Christians because of the overwhelming evidence they found?