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Originally posted by galveston75You cast yourself as a preacher. Don't you meet people who you claim are "dead wrong" all the time? Why do you think that your proposed explanation does not convince all these people - you must get some feedback from your preaching, surely?
Who knows. Ask them.
27 Nov 12
Originally posted by galveston75So it's not mentioned, leaving you propagating a subjective assertion/opinion about the League Of Nations, plus an additional assertion that God has told you that you're right and those who disagree with you are wrong, is that it?
It isn't mentioned so ones wanting to truly know would ask God and be willing to listen.
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Originally posted by galveston75I think your off on this one also....Rome in its day had
The countries of the United States and Britian is described in Revelation as a duel world power that does exactly as you have described here with their forced influance in most of the world since their beginnings of a few hundred years now.
Revelation 13:11-15
English Standard Version (ESV)
The Second Beast
11 Then I saw another beast rising o ...[text shortened]... ns are usually in responce to protecting their interest and not always in the interest of peace.
more influence over the world than America
Manny
28 Nov 12
Originally posted by menace71Not even close Manny. Just think of the arms and military power that exist now as compared to swords and spears. Nuclear bombs? Aircraft carriers and the power they have? Nuclear subs?
I think your off on this one also....Rome in its day had
more influence over the world than America
Manny
Also really think of the whole world the USA has affected as compared to Rome on many levels. Politics, economics, etc. If I'm not mistaking I believe the USA also gives out more money to more countries then any other country does in the world to support and protect it's interest in those areas. Even giving it many times to countries that are not really friendly to the US.
I found this interesting artical and noticed others that speak of the influance to USA has had but is now waining.
http://www.studymode.com/essays/The-United-States-Influence-On-The-205494.html
This could very easily be the fulfillment of the Bibles description of this two horned beast finally giving it's power to the United Nations? Time will tell.
28 Nov 12
Originally posted by galveston75You are presenting your interpretation as a 'certainty' about which you have no doubt, AND as something that "could very easily be". Do you not see how these two stances are different and that the two things that you are asserting do not add up?
This could very easily be the fulfillment of the Bibles description of this two horned beast finally giving it's power to the United Nations? Time will tell.
28 Nov 12
Originally posted by FMFI know exactly what I said and why I said it.....
You are presenting your interpretation as a 'certainty' about which you have no doubt, AND as something that "could very easily be". Do you not see how these two stances are different and that the two things that you are asserting do not add up?
29 Nov 12
Originally posted by galveston75So, you were "wanting to truly know" and you "asked God" and you were "willing to listen" and He told you that the stuff at http://www.studymode.com/essays/The-United-States-Influence-On-The-205494.html "...could very easily be the fulfillment of the Bibles description of this two horned beast" and this is why you say you "have NO doubt as to what Revelation is speaking of here". Is this what you mean?
I know exactly what I said and why I said it.....
29 Nov 12
Originally posted by FMFHummmm. Maybe I do maybe I don't. Doesn't matter does it as you never accept anything I say.
So, you were "wanting to truly know" and you "asked God" and you were "willing to listen" and He told you that the stuff at http://www.studymode.com/essays/The-United-States-Influence-On-The-205494.html "...could very easily be the fulfillment of the Bibles description of this two horned beast" and this is why you say you "have NO doubt as to what Revelation is speaking of here". Is this what you mean?
29 Nov 12
Originally posted by galveston75Are you able to differentiate between something [you found on the internet] that "could very easily be" and something you "have NO doubt" about? You are declaring yourself "right", claiming God has told you so, and declaring other Christians wrong. You are making these claims on a public forum so you cannot then claim it "doesn't matter" when someone points out the subjectivity and inconsistency in your assertions. People will be more inclined to "accept" what you say if it adds up and makes some sense.
Hummmm. Maybe I do maybe I don't. Doesn't matter does it as you never accept anything I say.
29 Nov 12
Originally posted by FMFGod has personally told me nothing. He does not communicate with humans in that way. So you should learn those facts to help you with a better understanding of spiritual matters.
Are you able to differentiate between something [you found on the internet] that "could very easily be" and something you "have NO doubt" about? You are declaring yourself "right", claiming God has told you so, and declaring other Christians wrong. You are making these claims on a public forum so you cannot then claim it "doesn't matter" when someone points out ...[text shortened]... le will be more inclined to "accept" what you say if it adds up and makes some sense.
29 Nov 12
Originally posted by galveston75Then why did you say this?
God has personally told me nothing. He does not communicate with humans in that way. So you should learn those facts to help you with a better understanding of spiritual matters.
Originally posted by FMF
[Why] do you think Revelation 13:11 didn't mention the League Of Nations by name? Wouldn't it have supported your interpretation more strongly if it had mentioned it by name rather than talking about the "first beast" with a "mortal wound" that was "healed"?
Originally posted by galveston75
It isn't mentioned so ones wanting to truly know would ask God and be willing to listen.
Do you not see how what you are saying about "God" and how you "know" about the League of Nations being "described" in the Bible, does not add up?
29 Nov 12
Originally posted by FMFYea though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death,
Then why did you say this?
Originally posted by FMF
[b][Why] do you think Revelation 13:11 didn't mention the League Of Nations by name? Wouldn't it have supported your interpretation more strongly if it had mentioned it by name rather than talking about the "first beast" with a "mortal wound" that was "healed"?
[i]Originally posted by galvesto ...[text shortened]... now" about the League of Nations being "described" in the Bible, does not add up?[/b]
I shall fear no evil, for with me are two bishops and a rook.
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And behold I saw the beast rising in the east and he was as a pale horse.
And death rode with him. And who is like the beast and who can make war
or stand against him?
Swiftly he did move and all my people were enslaved.
And the Great Black King was carried away into captivity,
never to rule again. His throne usurped and his armies defeated.
And the Great Black King was cast into the lake of fire,
which is the second death, and was heard no more.
All things passed away and the board was made new.
And so we begin again,
................................e4.
Or if you're old fashioned like me,
Pawn to King 4.
I was never any good at algebra.
30 Nov 12
Originally posted by FMFSorry that it doesn't add up to you. The Bible says most would not understand. So as I said to you before I'm sorry you don't. But I do and it is crystal clear to me.
Then why did you say this?
Originally posted by FMF
[b][Why] do you think Revelation 13:11 didn't mention the League Of Nations by name? Wouldn't it have supported your interpretation more strongly if it had mentioned it by name rather than talking about the "first beast" with a "mortal wound" that was "healed"?
[i]Originally posted by galvesto ...[text shortened]... now" about the League of Nations being "described" in the Bible, does not add up?[/b]
30 Nov 12
Originally posted by galveston75So the fact that you say the Bible says "most would not understand", and because you have an "understanding" that most people would not share, that makes you right, and you reckon the Bible says you're right because of this? Is that how it works for you?
The Bible says most would not understand. So as I said to you before I'm sorry you don't. But I do and it is crystal clear to me.
With this League of Nations thing, did you "ask God", were you "willing to listen", and did you get an answer? I need to ask because claiming that it's true because it's "crystal clear" to you doesn't work as a discussion point, nor does claiming you are right because "most would not understand".