Rochdale grooming trial: Split views on race issue

Originally posted by humy

actually Hitler was far more influenced by atheistic philosophers like Nietzsche and
materialistic philosophies like Social Darwinism than he was by any kind of pretence of
religious piety,

how do you know this?

but shhhh, the materialists dont like to admit the fact.

which meaning are you using for “ materialist revail. [/quote]

yes, and that was a typical delusional theist belief. So your point is?

how do i know it, i like to read, i read it somewhere and I am uninterested in futile
arguments over semantics and even less in unsubstantiated opinions. Can you make
your texts smaller I have a real attention deficiency. Perhaps you had better read this,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Darwinism

Indeed here is a Nazi propaganda video, detailing Darwinian ideas suggesting a
program of sterilisation and/or euthanasia,

‘All weak living things will inevitably perish in nature. In the last few decades, mankind
has transgressed frightfully against the law of natural selection. We haven’t just maintained
life unworthy of life, we have even allowed it to multiply! The descendants of these sick
people look … like this person here!’

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contrast this with the fact the the Bible states that deformity is a product of
imperfection through sin and that all are descendants of Adam and Eve and thus
members of one human family and its clear to see how such thoroughly lofty
principles transcend this materialistic philosophy.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Indeed here is a Nazi propaganda video, detailing Darwinian ideas suggesting a
program of sterilisation and/or euthanasia,

‘All weak living things will inevitably perish in nature. In the last few decades, mankind
has sinned (transgressed) frightfully against the law of natural selection. We haven’t just maintained
life unworthy of life, we ...[text shortened]... its clear to see how such thoroughly lofty
principles transcend this materialistic philosophy.

In the above post you mention one of your mantras 'unsubstantiated opinions' and then in this post you put the words, Bible - facts - Adam & Eve, in one sentence. The irony.

You carry on dealing in fairytales Rob, the rest of us will stick to reality.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
In the above post you mention one of your mantras 'unsubstantiated opinions' and then in this post you put the words, Bible - facts - Adam & Eve, in one sentence. The irony.

You carry on dealing in fairytales Rob, the rest of us will stick to reality.

Actually PK, the mention of Adam and Eve is to mark a contrast between the two
teachings although i provided no details admittedly. When one understand our
relationship to Adam and Eve we understand that we are part of a human family and
have a relationship to others, thus we are counselled in scripture to support the weak,
this is in stark contrast to the teaching of social Darwinism with its emphasis on the
strong overcoming the weak and its natural that the weak should perish. Thus once
again we see the utter folly of applying a materialistic philosophy in human terms. This
is not a fairytale PK, its a reality.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
When one understand our
relationship to Adam and Eve we understand that we are part of a human family and
have a relationship to others, thus we are counselled in scripture to support the weak,
this is in stark contrast to the teaching of social Darwinism with its emphasis on the
strong overcoming the weak and its natural that the weak should ...[text shortened]... pplying a materialistic philosophy in human terms. This
is not a fairytale PK, its a reality.

People who don't believe in Adam and Eve care for their weak family members and neighbours too, robbie; they don't let them perish. Human empathy and philanthropy and not dependent on internalizing folk stories about Adam and Eve.

Originally posted by FMF
People who don't believe in Adam and Eve care for their weak family members and neighbours too, robbie; they don't let them perish. Human empathy and philanthropy and not dependent on internalizing folk stories about Adam and Eve.

i did not say that they do not care FMF, i am merely contrasting the Biblical teaching
with that of Social Darwinism. Of course they are not dependent but it appears to me
that the real danger of this materialistic philosophy is to undermine the natural human
faculty of empathy and care by providing some kind of rationale for doing so.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
i did not say that they do not care FMF, i am merely contrasting the Biblical teaching
with that of Social Darwinism.

Plenty of people who submit to the authority of the Bible act in inhumane ways, mistreat the weak, and commit atrocities.

Originally posted by FMF
Plenty of people who submit to the authority of the Bible act in inhumane ways, mistreat the weak, and commit atrocities.

Then they are not submitting to the authority of the Christ and have sought to establish
their own, regardless of what they claim or profess. A good tree cannot produce
worthless fruit.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Then they are not submitting to the authority of the Christ and have sought to establish
their own, regardless of what they claim or profess.

OK then. Well I trust that you will also apply some of your No True Scotsman analysis to Muslims who commit horrendous crimes due to what you describe as "a complete lack of spirituality".

Originally posted by FMF
OK then. Well I trust that you will also apply some of your No True Scotsman analysis to Muslims who commit horrendous crimes due to what you describe as "a complete lack of spirituality".

whether they are true Muslims or not i have not sought to establish, indeed i questioned
Islamic teaching, not whether the perpetrators were actually true Muslims or not dear
FMF. Perhaps you can enlighten us, what does Islam teach with regard to those of
another race, religion or gender?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
whether they are true Muslims or not i have not sought to establish, indeed i questioned
Islamic teaching, not whether the perpetrators were actually true Muslims or not dear
FMF.

You think Islamic teaching justifies the crimes in the OP?

Originally posted by FMF
You think Islamic teaching justifies the crimes in the OP?

I dont know, this is why I asked the question, for anyone that knows anything about it,
so i repeat it again, perhaps you can enlighten us, what does Islam teach with regard
to members of another race, religion or gender.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
I dont know, this is why I asked the question, for anyone that knows anything about it,
so i repeat it again, perhaps you can enlighten us, what does Islam teach with regard
to members of another race, religion or gender.

As far as I know it does not teach that the crimes in the OP are justified. If you accept that the criminals are perhaps not "true Muslims", what does "Islamic teaching" have to do with it anyway? You have just asserted that Christians who commit horrendous crimes are not 'true Christians'.

Originally posted by FMF
As far as I know it does not teach that the crimes in the OP are justified. If you accept that the criminals are perhaps not "true Muslims", what does "Islamic teaching" have to do with it anyway? You have just asserted that Christians who commit horrendous crimes are not 'true Christians'.

I simply could not discount the fact that all were Muslims FMF, whether they are true
Muslims or not I have no way of knowing until I can get a handle on Islamic teaching
on the matter of race, religion and gender, so the matter remains unresolved until such
times.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
I simply could not discount the fact that all were Muslims FMF, whether they are true Muslims or not I have no way of knowing until I can get a handle on Islamic teaching on the matter of race, religion and gender, so the matter remains unresolved until such times.

If they had been Christians you would be telling us they weren't 'true Christians'. As far as you and I - having both lived in Islamic majority countries for some years - are concerned, there is no Islamic teaching that would justify the horrendous crimes in the OP, right? Does 'No True Scotsman' work only for Christians?