Originally posted by Suzianne I wasn't talking to cheney3. Get a grip.
I was talking about chaney3 and his probable motivation for starting this thread ~ and other threads. I was trying to steer the conversation back to the topic - "Satan" and chaney3 - rather than indulging you and the swing you were taking at Great King Rat. Do you think chaney3 actually believes in "Satan"? Based on his posting here at RHP, I don't. But I do think he wants Christians fussing over him.
Originally posted by FMF I was talking about chaney3 and his probable motivation for starting this thread ~ and other threads. I was trying to steer the conversation back to the topic - "Satan" and chaney3 - rather than indulging you and the swing you were taking at Great King Rat. Do you think chaney3 actually believes in "Satan"? Based on his posting here at RHP, I don't. But I do think he wants Christians fussing over him.
Sorry, unlike your "clique", I don't need you to "steer" my conversation.
And in case you haven't figured it out by now, I really don't care what you think.
Originally posted by Suzianne Sorry, unlike your "clique", I don't need you to "steer" my conversation.
And in case you haven't figured it out by now, I really don't care what you think.
I was simply explaining why I was seeking to talk about what chaney3 feels rather than what Great King Rat feels. Look at the thread topic. Look at who started it.
Originally posted by chaney3 It sounds as if you will refuse to blame God for anything.
Not an open mind at all. Humans cannot be blamed for everything, while God is always dismissed of any fault.
Have you considered that perhaps god just hates you?
Edit: of course you have; you whole posting history is about your hatred of god, his hatred of you, Satan's hatred of you, your hatred of Christianity. etc.
If you really are an alcoholic, then your solution is to face up to the fact, stop blaming other people and acknowledge that you must never drink again under any circumstances and get a support structure around you that helps maintain that.
Originally posted by avalanchethecat There is good evidence to suggest that the predisposition towards alcoholism is very much a genetic thing. Google the alcoholic monkeys on St Kitts. Nature beats nurture.
Later today I will indeed Google 'the alcoholic monkeys on St Kitts'
(I'm half expecting it to be an episode of South Park).
As noted though, we are predisposed to a great number of things and Chaney is mistaken in his assertion that we have no control over them.
Originally posted by avalanchethecat There is good evidence to suggest that the predisposition towards alcoholism is very much a genetic thing. Google the alcoholic monkeys on St Kitts. Nature beats nurture.
I Googled it, and guess what, it seems alcoholic monkeys are mostly found on St Kitts, and not elsewhere. It would seem that exposure to alcohol (nurture) beats nature.
All addictions including alcoholism and obesity are a mixture between choice and genetic / nurtured tendencies. Between choice and nature/nurture, you cannot lay the blame on one single one and you can lay the blame on both. But we have control over choice, so that is the only one for which it is useful to lay the blame. Admittedly controlling our choices can be remarkably hard, but the first step is recognising that we can control them and not laying the blame elsewhere as an excuse. Blaming Satan is post justification in an attempt to reduce the guilt.
Originally posted by twhitehead I Googled it, and guess what, it seems alcoholic monkeys are mostly found on St Kitts, and not elsewhere. It would seem that exposure to alcohol (nurture) beats nature.
All addictions including alcoholism and obesity are a mixture between choice and genetic / nurtured tendencies. Between choice and nature/nurture, you cannot lay the blame on one singl ...[text shortened]... e elsewhere as an excuse. Blaming Satan is post justification in an attempt to reduce the guilt.
Regarding alcohol. While it's true that choice is invoved, it seems to be limited to the first drink. After an alcoholic makes the choice to have a beer, the second problem arises, 'the physical aspect'. It's what is called the 'phenonenom of craving'. This craving, which doesn't seem to affect normal drinkers, takes choice out of the equation....after the first drink.
The problem is twofold. Mental and physical. The mental part should prevent the first drink, but as described in the book of Alcoholics Anonymous, in the doctor's opinion, once the first drink occurs, the body takes over and seeks to dominate the mind, and choice.
People want to argue for choice, and will power, but neglect to consider the physical problem at work.
Originally posted by chaney3 Regarding alcohol. While it's true that choice is invoved, it seems to be limited to the first drink. After an alcoholic makes the choice to have a beer, the second problem arises, 'the physical aspect'. It's what is called the 'phenonenom of craving'. This craving, which doesn't seem to affect normal drinkers, takes choice out of the equation....after the f ...[text shortened]... want to argue for choice, and will power, but neglect to consider the physical problem at work.
So you think God is in error because someone who is an alcoholic cannot have more than
one drink without the phenomenon of craving? We have the same issue with food too and
other things as well, this is God's doing that He needs to be blamed for?
Originally posted by chaney3 Regarding alcohol. While it's true that choice is invoved, it seems to be limited to the first drink. After an alcoholic makes the choice to have a beer, the second problem arises, 'the physical aspect'. It's what is called the 'phenonenom of craving'. This craving, which doesn't seem to affect normal drinkers, takes choice out of the equation....after the f ...[text shortened]... want to argue for choice, and will power, but neglect to consider the physical problem at work.
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