Spirituality
28 Jul 05
28 Jul 05
Originally posted by buckkyI have met satanists. They'd be happy to know you consider them screwball.
Has anyone ever met a true Satanist ? I've heard that these people do exist, but I've never to my knowledge ran into one. I known every other screwball type of of cultist, but never a Satanist. Are they strickly the subject matter of movies or do they roam the earth.
I have not however seen a satanist tell someone that they had to join there religion or they were lost.
I have also met wiccas wiccans pagans... etc.
None of these people ever tried to convert and or save me.
28 Jul 05
Originally posted by Nyxiemaybe that's cause they're trying to save all the top positions in hell for themselves 😉
I have met satanists. They'd be happy to know you consider them screwball.
I have not however seen a satanist tell someone that they had to join there religion or they were lost.
I have also met wiccas wiccans pagans... etc.
None of these people ever tried to convert and or save me.
28 Jul 05
Originally posted by buckkyI checked out their website once and liked what I was reading, but ultimately decided it wasn't for me.
Has anyone ever met a true Satanist ? I've heard that these people do exist, but I've never to my knowledge ran into one. I known every other screwball type of of cultist, but never a Satanist. Are they strickly the subject matter of movies or do they roam the earth.
29 Jul 05
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Originally posted by buckkyThey exist. I've met a couple in Johannesburg. The idea is to access repressed energies generally labeled "evil", conveniently symbolised by Satan. You don't have to believe in Satan's existence to be a Satanist.
Has anyone ever met a true Satanist ? Are they strickly the subject matter of movies or do they roam the earth.
The performer Boyd Rice used to be high up in the Church of Satan. www.boydrice.com
Satanism is the devil's yoga.
A combination of Satanic ritual and scientology is sure to get you far in life!
29 Jul 05
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I too have met satanists. I imagine they were far removed from your average christian view of what a satanist would be. They were not into killing, sacrifice or hatred, but instead they believed in the base instincts which christianity supresses, jealousy, lust etc. They thought it was right to express your natural desires and emotions just as they claimed satan did when god cast him aside. They believed that christianity was a misguided cult of false witnessing and that satan had been demonised to scare people to god.
Although I found their beliefs to be as riddled with holes as most christians, I found their perspective refreshingly different and surprisingly un-evil. Although I am guessing that just as christianity exists in a plethera of ways/beliefs, so too does satanism and there are fundamentalists who are dangerous in all religions. Thes people were, I guess, mild satanists, though I cannot recall if they had their own sect which differed from other schools of thought.
29 Jul 05
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Originally posted by Bosse de NageMaybe you should check out Anton LaVey's Satanist Church on http://www.churchofsatan.com where he claims to be the Black Pope. By the way, a favourite satanistic ritual is sacrafice, preferably human. Satanisms is the antithesis of Christianity... which by the way is part of their church statement.
They exist. I've met a couple in Johannesburg. The idea is to access repressed energies generally labeled "evil", conveniently symbolised by Satan. You don't have to believe in Satan's existence to be a Satanist.
The performe ...[text shortened]... nic ritual and scientology is sure to get you far in life!
edit: I noticed that LaVey died in 1997. Oops. I guess they must have another replacement.
29 Jul 05
it might be interesting to examine Satan's role in Christianity.
what function does it serve to have a source for Prime Evil? and, as far as the Bible is concerned, what is Satan's "evil" or "sin"? because he used to be a favored Arch Angel. he was cast out of heaven when he refused to serve God. it seems to me that henceforth, Christianity demonizes the impulse to set one's self free from servitude. consider Jesus's image on the usual Catholic cross: bloody, suffering, burdened with the world's sins... thus Christianity has made an idol of painful servitude and a demon of selfish pride.
29 Jul 05
If one believes in Satan than one must also believe in the Christian God. It follows that if one believes in Satan than one must also believe in the Holy Bible. Who in the HELL would want to be a Satanist knowing full well that you will end up on the losing side??? It's like going to a Globetrotters game and cheering for the Generals. STOOPID.
01 Aug 05
Originally posted by StarrmanThis is also the view that was expressed to me by the self proclaimed satanists that I have met. From my discussions with them I believe that their label misrepresents their actual beliefs (i.e. they do not really worship satan as a theist worships their god). Likewise, I assume that there exists many different "brands" of satanism. Thusly, I have concluded that "satanism" is much like "christianity" in that it is, or atleast has become, a generic label, a band wagon term from which little can be divined about the individuals true beliefs and ideals.
I too have met satanists. I imagine they were far removed from your average christian view of what a satanist would be. They were not into killing, sacrifice or hatred, but instead they believed in the base instincts which christianity supresses, jealousy, lust etc. They thought it was right to express your natural desires and emotions just as they claim ...[text shortened]... though I cannot recall if they had their own sect which differed from other schools of thought.
01 Aug 05
Originally posted by OmnislashIndeed, I would certainly concur. I would also go as far as to suggest that a large nuber of "Satanists" are in fact not Satanists at all, but people who have assumed that label under the banner of being overtly angry, violent or socially defective.
This is also the view that was expressed to me by the self proclaimed satanists that I have met. From my discussions with them I believe that their label misrepresents their actual beliefs (i.e. they do not really worship satan as a theist worships their god). Likewise, I assume that there exists many different "brands" of satanism. Thusly, I have conclu ...[text shortened]... band wagon term from which little can be divined about the individuals true beliefs and ideals.
01 Aug 05
Originally posted by Darth SpongeFirst of all, Satan does not have a 'role' in Christianity. Not in the sense that your post suggests. He was not written into a storyline to fill some theatrical gap, as it were. Rather, he is an historical figure. He was created as an angel, like other angels, decided that he would rather be in God's place, inevitably lost that battle and was cast out.
it might be interesting to examine Satan's role in Christianity.
what function does it serve to have a source for Prime Evil? and, as far as the Bible is concerned, what is Satan's "evil" or "sin"? because he used to be a favored Arch Angel. he was cast out of heaven when he refused to serve God. it seems to me that henceforth, Christianity d ...[text shortened]... s... thus Christianity has made an idol of painful servitude and a demon of selfish pride.
In his growing hatred for God, he found he could deceive Eve and Adam into rebelling against God. Whether they knew it or not (probably not), they joined with him against God. You might say they became the first 'satanists'.
as far as the Bible is concerned, what is Satan's "evil" or "sin"? because he used to be a favored Arch Angel. he was cast out of heaven when he refused to serve God.
Are you suggesting that satan should have been allowed to rule heaven in God's place? Or that he should have been given half of the Kingdom? Or that if all of the created angels decided the same thing, they should each be given an equal share? Things don't work that way. If my 18 year old son came to me with such a claim to my home, he would be forced to move out as well.
As far as being 'demonized', I think that that is what Lucifer (as he was called before) did to himself. Instead of truthfully acknowledging the glory of God and accepting his own place as a created being, he began to change himself into a creature of pride and delusion. Instead of an 'angel of light' he transformed himself into the 'prince of darkness'; a demon.
Now satan stands as the example of prideful rebellion; setting one's self above even the most obvious righteous authority. And Jesus, since He came willingly to suffer death on that bloody cross, stands as the example of God's willingness to put the desperate need of even the most pitiful sinner (who WILL humble himself properly) above His own claims.
01 Aug 05
Originally posted by chinking58If god created the angels, and they were filled with sin (pride, anger etc) did god create that sin? What was the point of creating sin? Previous to creating humans, was there a need for it? Were angels flawed and god had to try again? Did god make a mistake the first time round? Was Satan jealous of humans?
First of all, Satan does not have a 'role' in Christianity. Not in the sense that your post suggests. He was not written into a storyline to fill some theatrical gap, as it were. Rather, he is an historical figure. He was created as an angel, like other angels, decided that he would rather be in God's place, inevitably lost that battle and was cast ...[text shortened]... need of even the most pitiful sinner (who WILL humble himself properly) above His own claims.
I'd seriously like to here your answers, I have always wondered what theology consist of if we look at a point prior to human creation.
02 Aug 05
Originally posted by StarrmanNot Flawed, God Just gave everyone, Including angels, free will.
If god created the angels, and they were filled with sin (pride, anger etc) did god create that sin? What was the point of creating sin? Previous to creating humans, was there a need for it? Were angels flawed and god had to try again? Did god make a mistake the first time round? Was Satan jealous of humans?
I'd seriously like to here your answers, I have always wondered what theology consist of if we look at a point prior to human creation.
Do you think the angels should be living robots?