Saved but damned

Originally posted by @rajk999
Paul said that. Why would Jesus Christ omit such a requirement if it was as critical as you think?

Positions and Perspectives, and context.

Originally posted by @kellyjay
Positions and Perspectives, and context.

Is that the best you have?

Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-duke
Imagine a town where everyone (as a result of loose living) had acquired massive debt on their credit cards, debt that they were unable to repay on their own. Then one day a mysterious chap arrives in town and inexplicably transfers the debt of every resident on to his own credit card. All their debts had become his own and every person in the town ...[text shortened]... o their old ways and acquire new debt that this time would result in their ultimate destruction.

'Recognize' is the key word in this analogy.

The wise would learn from the 'chap', who teaches them how to live properly, and they listen.

While the 'fools' who knew the same teachings, rebelled and lived their own way some more.

In both cases, all were aware of the teachings and advice given by the 'chap'.

Now, we know that the 'chap' is Jesus, but it's interesting that atheists will not 'recognize' what Jesus did.

But does that matter?

Originally posted by @tom-wolsey
True, using my definition of Christians. .

I wouldn't trust your definition of true, let alone a religious group..

Originally posted by @rajk999
Is that the best you have?

Not a matter of best just the way it is, Jesus perspective being the Word of God, just went about doing what the Father wanted to reveal God’s love for us, and take our sins upon Himself becoming sin. All of those writing about Him approach it not as the Word of God made flesh, but sinners saved by the blood of Jesus Christ!

Originally posted by @wolfgang59
I wouldn't trust your definition of true, let alone a religious group..

Then I know I'm on the right track.

Originally posted by @chaney3
I do believe.

But I find it hard to imagine that God would demand such a thing. It happened 2,000 years ago, and God didn't create our brains to process that.

Have you researched what happens to the human body when it is nailed to a cross? Jesus was also beaten to within an inch of his life before they even nailed him up. The soldiers scourged him, ripping strips of skin from his back and they divided up his clothes, since they knew he wouldn't need them.

And you don't think that the rest of us should be asked to make a simple decision to believe or not?

Originally posted by @tom-wolsey
Then I know I'm on the right track.

Oh you're on the right track alright.
The very right track.
And it's a dirt track.

Originally posted by @wolfgang59
Oh you're on the right track alright.
The very right track.
And it's a dirt track.

There are just two paths. One leads toward the truth, the other away.

Originally posted by @secondson
There are just two paths. One leads toward the truth, the other away.

Jesus is the truth.
His doctrine
His teachings
His commandments
Jesus is the way to eternal life

Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock. And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it. (Matthew 7:24-27 KJV)

The wise hear Chrsit and does his sayings
The foolish man does not.

Originally posted by @chaney3
I do believe.

But I find it hard to imagine that God would demand such a thing. It happened 2,000 years ago, and God didn't create our brains to process that.

It's not with the brain one believes, but with the heart.

The heart is the center of our being. God wants the heart.

Proverbs 4:23
Keep thy heart with all diligence; for out of it are the issues of life.

Matthew 22:37
Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart,..

Hebrews 4:12
For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

The Word "heart" occurs in 99 verses of the New Testament in the KJV. Read them and you'll see what I mean.

Originally posted by @rajk999
Jesus is the [b]truth.
His doctrine
His teachings
His commandments
Jesus is the way to eternal life

Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell ...[text shortened]... 7:24-27 KJV)

The wise hear Chrsit and does his sayings
The foolish man does not.[/b]

So why don't you believe everything Jesus said?

Originally posted by @kellyjay
So why don't you believe everything Jesus said?

I believe everything Jesus said.

Originally posted by @rajk999
I believe everything Jesus said.

You believe but don't think it matters it seems in some cases?

Originally posted by @kellyjay
You believe but don't think it matters it seems in some cases?

I dont believe your interpretation of what Jesus said.