Saved but damned

Originally posted by @rajk999
A false witness is a liar.
A false witness is a person.
God hates liars

God does not hate anyone?
Read this Mr Know It All

As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated. (Romans 9:13 KJV)

Got that?

You think you're on to something don't you?

Do you know what Esau symbolizes?

Originally posted by @secondson
You think you're on to something don't you?

Do you know what Esau symbolizes?

Not interested. God hates liars. God hated Esau. God also hates all those who do sin willfully and He will cast them into the lake of fire. God hates Satan and his angels. Take note.

Oh keep your church analysis of what Esau was to yourself.

Originally posted by @rajk999
You. You say
- only those with the Holy Spirit can do good works
- therefore only they will enter the Kingdom of God

That doctrine is faulty.

"Nobody will be able to say "Lord I have the Holy Spirit .. Im in !!! " ... LOL"

Who says this!

I've shared with you several times that those without the Spirit of God cannot please God.
A straight forward reading of scripture informs of this. Only those with God's Spirit belong
to God, you it seems want to put off this belonging to God, walking out our lives doing the
good works He has for us until after the end of this life on judgment day. If you don't
belong to God before that, you will not after you die on judgment day either.

Romans 8:7-9 English Standard Version (ESV)
7 For the mind that is set on the flesh is hostile to God, for it does not submit to God's law; indeed, it cannot. 8 Those who are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 You, however, are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if in fact the Spirit of God dwells in you. Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him.

Originally posted by @secondson
I have more intelligible conversations with my three year old.

You're a troll too.

Really? Your 3 yr old? Lie much?

Originally posted by @karoly-aczel
Really? Your 3 yr old? Lie much?

"It's a figure of speech"

Originally posted by @tom-wolsey
"It's a figure of speech"

Is it really?

You guys are a disingenuous lot.

Please try to get into the spirit of my posts.

Just an observation, but there are a large number of people here who really sweat the
small stuff. Have we become to tightly wound up that even a harmless expression can
become a reason to insult one another?

Originally posted by @rajk999
Well some like King Cyrus and Rahab the harlot, had no Holy Spirit, but they did good works . Some again Judas and Annanias and Sapphira did evil and they had the Holy Spirit. So something is not quite right about your doctrine.

In any case, Holy Spirit or not, Jesus says how he will judge people and who enters the Kingdom of God. .. and sadly for you ...[text shortened]... ousness.

Nobody will be able to say "Lord I have the Holy Spirit .. Im in !!! " ... LOL 😀

Hebrews 11:31
By faith Rahab the prostitute did not perish with those who were disobedient, because she had given a friendly welcome to the spies.

2 Chronicles 36:23
“Thus says Cyrus king of Persia, ‘The Lord, the God of heaven, has given me all the kingdoms of the earth, and he has charged me to build him a house at Jerusalem, which is in Judah. Whoever is among you of all his people, may the Lord his God be with him. Let him go up.’”

God honors faith, but again the unbelieving don't have faith in God, those that outright
reject Him. These were OT times too, the Holy Spirit had yet been given to anyone
at that time including the Jewish people. The Spirit came upon people, unlike now where
we are given the Holy Spirit to walk out our lives with Him.

Originally posted by @kellyjay
Hebrews 11:31
By faith Rahab the prostitute did not perish with those who were disobedient, because she had given a friendly welcome to the spies.

2 Chronicles 36:23
“Thus says Cyrus king of Persia, ‘The Lord, the God of heaven, has given me all the kingdoms of the earth, and he has charged me to build him a house at Jerusalem, which is in Judah. Whoe ...[text shortened]... came upon people, unlike now where
we are given the Holy Spirit to walk out our lives with Him.

God honours faith [provided it includes works]
God honours works.
Faith alone is nothing
Works alone is better than faith alone.
Of course the ideal is both faith and works

Originally posted by @rajk999
God honours faith [provided it includes works]
God honours works.
Faith alone is nothing
Works alone is better than faith alone.
Of course the ideal is both faith and works

What does the Bible say? I'd say those He shares His Spirit with are the ones He honors,
without which you do not belong to God. If you are not obeying God, no Holy Spirit in
your life.

Acts 5:32
And we are witnesses to these things, and so is the Holy Spirit, whom God has given to those who obey him.”

Originally posted by @kellyjay
What does the Bible say? I'd say those He shares His Spirit with are the ones He honors,
without which you do not belong to God. If you are not obeying God, no Holy Spirit in
your life.

Acts 5:32
And we are witnesses to these things, and so is the Holy Spirit, whom God has given to those who obey him.”

I know Christians dont like it but all these people too are obeying God:

Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted.
Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.
Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.
Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.
Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.
Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.
(Matthew 5:3-9 KJV)

The Good Samaritan was obeying God.
The Priest and Levite was not obeying God .. and those where people of faith