Science Negates All of Abrahamic Religions

@kellyjay said
For the mind-numbed no future explanation is required, hear something that tickles your itching ears, you are good to go, stop while you’re ahead with as close to a real sounding answer you will ever find, the fact it won’t work is meaningless it’s what you want to be true.

A finite amount of local material is going to be located on finite areas not infinite amounts, more ...[text shortened]... e from instructions to chemical composition is not through mindlessness instead through mindfulness.

Chemical reactions don’t stop when “something is found.” You are mumbling complete nonsense. I do not know what “problems” you are referring to, except the difficulty of getting through to you that there is nothing supernatural going on at molecular levels.

The key to understanding life is that equilibrium is not static, because the environment is not static. Because the environment is constantly stirring things up, the most stable equilibrium in a changing environment is a dynamic one, one with multiple possible responses to the pressure of change, including: move to a place where the pressure is less intense, reduce the pressure, or adapt to the pressure. This is what Dive’s article about dynamic kinetic stability explained. The equilibrium of living things is not the static balance of a statue on a pedestal; it is the poise of a dancer on a rocking ship.

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There is some doubt about what KellyJay and literalist-Creationists think counts as evidence. The Bible is no more evidence that God created life, the universe, and everything, than Homer’s Iliad is evidence that a great battle was once fought on the shores of present-day Turkey. There may indeed have been such a battle, but Homer’s telling of it has been, shall we say, embellished, and does not, as it stands, constitute evidence. It’s a story standing in need of evidence.

Personally, I cannot read the Bible, neither the OT nor the NT, as a history of what actually happened. I can read it only as an exhortation to people to live in a certain way, according to certain moral principles, expressed in prophetic-allegorical language.

@moonbus said
Chemical reactions don’t stop when “something is found.” You are mumbling complete nonsense. I do not know what “problems” you are referring to, except the difficulty of getting through to you that there is nothing supernatural going on at molecular levels.

The key to understanding life is that equilibrium is not static, because the environment is not static. Because the ...[text shortened]... is not the static balance of a statue on a pedestal; it is the poise of a dancer on a rocking ship.

Nothing natural will ever stop chemical reactions until all the possible reactions have run their course. Never once denied that there are reasons for reactions, only that the arrangement that after the reactions occurred don’t form instructions for all of the processes involved in life, or build anything like a cell.

@indonesia-phil said
Calm down, evolution is not theoretical, it's a scientific fact evidentially backed up by vast amounts of, you know, evidence. Moonbus has kindly and eloquently provided us with all the explanation that anyone requires regarding the 'mechanics' of it.

You on the other hand prefer to believe a mythology which brings us talking snakes, virgin births, a 6000 year old earth, and so on. Is this mind, or mindlessness?

Evolution is defined in several different ways, small changes over time no one has any issues with improving or degrading already-in-place systems and their various parts. Change where everything degrades can also be classified as evolving, no dispute there in any corner, but moving from a common living ancestor for all life, not so much. You may say all that is required is someone saying it happen, just believe, but without explanation as to the details, it's nothing but a story, an evolution of the gaps.

@kellyjay said
Evolution is defined in several different ways, small changes over time no one has any issues with improving or degrading already-in-place systems and their various parts. Change where everything degrades can also be classified as evolving, no dispute there in any corner, but moving from a common living ancestor for all life, not so much. You may say all that is required is ...[text shortened]... ieve, but without explanation as to the details, it's nothing but a story, an evolution of the gaps.

Here is the formula for a bacterial cell wall: c60h87o23n12p. Sixty carbon atoms, eighty-seven hydrogen atoms, and so on. What is it you want further explained? Do you expect me, or some bio-chemist, to identify exactly which 60 carbon atoms bonded with exactly which 87 hydrogen atoms etc., to make the very first bacterium on a certain date xxx-million years ago in the Indian Ocean or the Pacific Ocean?? Is that what you think science is about? I have to disappoint you there. Science explains generalities, not particulars. It explains how humanity got here, in general, not how Mark Twain got to San Francisco on a certain day.

@ghost-of-a-duke said
@KellyJay

Deuteronomy 6:15 gives us a perfect definition of a tyrannical and needy leader:

"For the Lord your God in the midst of you is a jealous God; otherwise the anger of the Lord your God will be kindled against you, and He will wipe you off the face of the earth."

"It's not the parts of the Bible I don't understand that bother me. It's the parts I do understand."


-- Mark Twain

@moonbus said
Here is the formula for a bacterial cell wall: c60h87o23n12p. Sixty carbon atoms, eighty-seven hydrogen atoms, and so on. What is it you want further explained? Do you expect me, or some bio-chemist, to identify exactly which 60 carbon atoms bonded with exactly which 87 hydrogen atoms etc., to make the very first bacterium on a certain date xxx-million years ago in the Indian ...[text shortened]... xplains how humanity got here, in general, not how Mark Twain got to San Francisco on a certain day.

You don't even have a story, how sad. The thing about writing is that the odds for "house" in getting the letters down in sequence is the same as the odds for "osuhe", the difference is there is meaning in "house" that isn't there for "osuhe," The arrangement of the letters give a symbiotic meaning which we can understand.

Using the genetic code we can identify people and animals by their DNA, the specific arrangement of the code for each specific life, a biological word, we can read and know specifically who or what they are. In instructions, there is even more meaning beyond a symbiotic one. Minds can write and read the meaning in the arrangement of letters, minds can translate them into what they represent symbiotically, and going beyond that give and follow instructions.

Mindlessness which you give credit for the biological words in life that tell us who is who, or what is what for the is much larger. The instructions, that guide all of the processes for which you now seem to argue have nothing to do with particulars leaving the specifics, for generalities. Why credit something like mindlessness with something that so obviously requires a mind to not only do, but understand can only be because you simply don't want to acknowledge it, reason isn't helping you, and you just blew off science as being able to as well.

@moonbus said
"It's not the parts of the Bible I don't understand that bother me. It's the parts I do understand."


-- Mark Twain

There is a lot you don't understand, which makes the parts you think you do outside of your understanding as well. If the context isn't seen the bits and pieces are not going to be understood with clarity either.

@kellyjay said
There is a lot you don't understand, which makes the parts you think you do outside of your understanding as well.

Is there also a lot that YOU don't understand? Or does your belief in Genesis mean that you feel you understand MORE than everyone that doesn't share your beliefs?

@kellyjay said
You don't even have a story, how sad. The thing about writing is that the odds for "house" in getting the letters down in sequence is the same as the odds for "osuhe", the difference is there is meaning in "house" that isn't there for "osuhe," The arrangement of the letters give a symbiotic meaning which we can understand.

Using the genetic code we can identify people an ...[text shortened]... to acknowledge it, reason isn't helping you, and you just blew off science as being able to as well.

Nature has no interest in producing "house" rather than "osuhe" or any other combination. Nature has no stories.

@kellyjay said
You don't even have a story, how sad.

The satisfaction your faith gives you aside, do you really believe that NOT settling for one of the theological narratives on offer [or yours in particular] is "sad"?

@moonbus said
Nature has no interest in producing "house" rather than "osuhe" or any other combination. Nature has no stories.

Nature has no desires period, end of story, we agree. You still are not giving a single reason for mindlessness to be able to produce what is formed in biology due to the complexity guided by the informational instructions in it.

You have now ruled out nature and science. You have anything positive that shows mindlessness is able to do the necessary work?

@kellyjay said
Evolution is defined in several different ways, small changes over time no one has any issues with improving or degrading already-in-place systems and their various parts. Change where everything degrades can also be classified as evolving, no dispute there in any corner, but moving from a common living ancestor for all life, not so much. You may say all that is required is ...[text shortened]... ieve, but without explanation as to the details, it's nothing but a story, an evolution of the gaps.

So you accept the fact of evolution, but only some of the fact of evolution. To use a simple analogy which you might be able to understand, that's like saying that you accept that some of the potatoes on your dinner plate are potatoes, but not all of the potatoes on your dinner plate are potatoes.